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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x05 - "Stardust City Rag"

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Just to reassure everyone, it's not like Brian Brophy is living under bridges desperate for every little role that allows him to buy food. He is the director of TACIT (Theater Arts at Caltech), so this is could be another reason why they didn't call him (I suppose it's a little more difficult to work with someone who already has a full time job...).

http://tacit.caltech.edu/about/brian

By the way, he still puts Measure of Man between the highlights of his career.

I'm not fond of Maddox' fate in Picard. So I'm fine with the recast of the role, which didn't last long anyway.
 
I'm not fond of Maddox' fate in Picard. So I'm fine with the recast of the role, which didn't last long anyway.
You know what. Perhaps you have a point. The character dies in the episode. So they perhaps wanted to not go through a situation where an actor try to stir up the fans to avert a sad fate for his character...

Wait... they did this twice in this episode?!?
 
By the way, Brophy was the director of a musical parody of Star Trek, too.
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Just to reassure everyone, it's not like Brian Brophy is living under bridges desperate for every little role that allows him to buy food. He is the director of TACIT (Theater Arts at Caltech), so this is could be another reason why they didn't call him (I suppose it's a little more difficult to work with someone who already has a full time job...).

http://tacit.caltech.edu/about/brian

By the way, he still puts Measure of Man between the highlights of his career.

College professors have LOTS of free time.
 
Speaking of Seven, the Borg implants looked really bad opposed to what they had on her in Voyager.

Not so sure I agree, personally. But either way, they needed updating for HD etc.

How do to the baddies not realize who Picard is until Maddox mentions his name? He was probably one of the most iconic people in the Federation. His face was undoubtedly all over the place during the Romulan evacuation and even if it wasn't, he was Locutus for god's sake.

Seems very likely they wouldn’t recognise him, given he walked into Starfleet HQ only a few days earlier, and wasn’t recognised. If they didn’t recognise him at HQ, then why would evil folk out in the old neutral zone immediately recognise him?

As far as having been Locutus, I suspect that’s not very public at this point, at least with these sort of people. The evil lady didn’t even bring it up, even when she realised who Picard was - you’d think she’d have greater interest in him if she knew he had been Borg.
 
College professors have LOTS of free time.

All this wasted energy getting mad about the recasting of a character who appeared ONCE, three decades ago.

There have been far more significant casting changes in Trek, in a much shorter space of time, too, yet here we are trying to find something else to bash the show and it’s staff for.

Quite sad, really.
 
Cake said it best ^^^. It's an over used trope. It rarely goes the other way with an older woman/younger man. It's often sexist and has something to do with "daddy issues". It infantilizes young women and makes older women seem undesirable. And, as I already said, he's her mentor. Have you completely missed #MeToo?
In this case, Maddox had to be old. So for them to have a more similar age, Jurati would've had to be old as well. Then she couldn't really be his successor, though. Have you missed fresh Ensign Picard and Miss Handsome? Ever heard of MILF being a thing? In the official tie-in novel (yes, not 100% "canon"), she is the one adoring him and pushing him into working together and she wants to be closer to him etc.

As Seven beams off the ship, it's said that a few notes from the Voyager theme can be heard. I watched it about ten times listening for it and I couldn't hear it. :confused:
It's notes 12-21 of the main theme (after the drums in the VOY intro), IIRC.

I don't think Icheb's recast was of great consequence. I would have preferred if they had done the gore part off-camera as they did for instance when Khan crushed Admiral Marcus' head. Whoever thought that the eye-gouging added anything to the story?
I like that they dare doing something like Conspiracy and Unimatrix Zero again, but with more detail and without shying away from how awful it would really be in real life.

Christ, are people really bothered that they recast Maddox, a one off character? The fella has been retired for years and probably wasn't interested or on holiday.
He didn't even know about it and seemed surprised.

By the way, he still puts Measure of Man between the highlights of his career.
He's also happy when fans approach him about that part.

George Lazenby.
On Trek? On Bond, I guess.

but that credit was only in this episode
They probably realized now that their main theme is Batai's melody
 
cooleddie74 had compared one of the recastings in this episode to Lazenby having been offered a return in the Bond films.
 
At 3:04: Seven 'the Terminator': "Hasta la vista, Bajayzl!!" (discharge her phaser rifle) :beer:
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I still think Seven should have finished her off with a Fatality from the first Mortal Kombat game.

Missed opportunity there.
 
Not you, too, man! :eek:
I confess that I have only skimmed the thread (which was painful enough). What have I stumbled into? :rommie:

On that last note...if Seven is coming back, then this whole story could have been setup for her role in the main story.
I hope so. Otherwise it's a bit too Death Wish. Probably is anyway.

For me, the Raffi scene was the closest thing we got to a Borg cube scene in this episode...it seemed a little too "coulda been on any other show"...but I expect it to inform her storyline down the road.
What occurred to me later is, why are her son and his partner getting their OB-GYN care on Freecloud when it's supposed to be A Very Bad Place. One presumes that the Federation has Medicare for all under General Order Bernie.

There was a shot of Jurati with a mind-meld hand on her face.
My answer would be a combination of (a) and (c).
Ah, interesting. Those little trailer details always get by me.

Her being a cyberneticist, I think that second option might be right up her alley.
Well, it's the ship of a mercenary who lives off-the-grid where computer security would be a life-or-death concern, but I suppose she may have the hacking skills to pull it off. We're seeing that she's not as innocent as she seems.

TNG was a show with ostensibly superior humans who observed and commented upon humanity's flaws as personified by aliens of the week.
I disagree. Picard was portrayed as socially awkward and uncomfortable with children from the first episode on, Beverly was shown to have issues with how she was treated as a widow, Tasha was from a "failed colony," Riker was shown to be easily corrupted by Q, Geordi lacked relationship skills, and Wesley was a little brat. Then there was the insecure guy who hung out with the Traveler and the elderly Admiral who did something bad to get young again, just in the first season. Not to mention Dr Soong. And all the various Admiral Assholes and Ambassador Snotties and jerky civilians. The silly thing about the Utopia meme is that Utopia is a place, not a person. Any level of Utopia is still going to be populated by people, and people haven't changed in ten thousand years.

You guys always throw in a line like that to make me jealous.
Sorry. :(
 
I confess that I have only skimmed the thread (which was painful enough). What have I stumbled into? :rommie:
We had our little spurt of posters who thought the Icheb death flashback would have been improved by obligatory name-dropping of various Voyager characters. "My child is in pain and I have to kill him--time for a fan service infodump!"

What occurred to me later is, why are her son and his partner getting their OB-GYN care on Freecloud when it's supposed to be A Very Bad Place. One presumes that the Federation has Medicare for all under General Order Bernie.
May have had something to do with her being a Romulan, either biologically or because of refuge status.

Ah, interesting. Those little trailer details always get by me.
I wouldn't have remembered it myself if it hadn't been brought up several times prior to this episode. People had been assuming that Oh mind-controlled Jurati between scenes in the third episode, but what Jurati said when killing Maddox would indicate that she was both doing it of her own free will and that she'd been "shown" something that was informing her actions.

I disagree. Picard was portrayed as socially awkward and uncomfortable with children from the first episode on, Beverly was shown to have issues with how she was treated as a widow, Tasha was from a "failed colony," Riker was shown to be easily corrupted by Q, Geordi lacked relationship skills, and Wesley was a little brat. Then there was the insecure guy who hung out with the Traveler and the elderly Admiral who did something bad to get young again, just in the first season. Not to mention Dr Soong. And all the various Admiral Assholes and Ambassador Snotties and jerky civilians. The silly thing about the Utopia meme is that Utopia is a place, not a person. Any level of Utopia is still going to be populated by people, and people haven't changed in ten thousand years.
On the broader level, beyond the personal foibles of the characters, TNG was always selling its version of humanity as an "evolved" species, and most of the conflict and social commentary came from without on the show, in the form of aliens of the week who embodied aspects of humanity that TNG humans had ostensibly "evolved" away from.
 
Jammer’s review is up, and it sure doesn’t sit on the fence.
Hilarious how he's upset Seven grew up more Wednesday than Amanda Buckman.
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We had our little spurt of posters who thought the Icheb death flashback would have been improved by obligatory name-dropping of various Voyager characters. "My child is in pain and I have to kill him--time for a fan service infodump!"
Ah, okay. It was more about me wondering where Janeway was while Seven was converting to vigilantism.

May have had something to do with her being a Romulan, either biologically or because of refuge status.
Reasonable.

I wouldn't have remembered it myself if it hadn't been brought up several times prior to this episode. People had been assuming that Oh mind-controlled Jurati between scenes in the third episode, but what Jurati said when killing Maddox would indicate that she was both doing it of her own free will and that she'd been "shown" something that was informing her actions.
Well, the best way to control someone is to make them think it's their idea.

On the broader level, beyond the personal foibles of the characters, TNG was always selling its version of humanity as an "evolved" species, and most of the conflict and social commentary came from without on the show, in the form of aliens of the week who embodied aspects of humanity that TNG humans had ostensibly "evolved" away from.
I think the evolved thing was more metaphorical. Species don't really evolve noticeably in a hundred years (unless they have a lifespan of a week). Use of alien civilizations as an analog for social issues is certainly a valid approach, and one that TOS used often.
 
It's a real meltdown over there. TNG purists are getting more and more upset that not only is their Trek not seen as the definitive Trek anymore, but that their era is getting the same kind of treatment their Trek laid on TOS.
What a whinging crybaby.

IF he doesn't like the new trek he should just watch series 1 and 2 of the TNG on repeat,

His whinging about dystopias and frontier crime and "justice" obviously forgets Turkana IV and the rape gangs.

Ah, okay. It was more about me wondering where Janeway was while Seven was converting to vigilantism.
Measuring her new admirals office for curtains.
 
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Ah, okay. It was more about me wondering where Janeway was while Seven was converting to vigilantism.
From what we last saw of her, probably busy being admiraly. If they wanted to work it in for a future Seven appearance, they might touch upon Seven thematically having been another abandoned child.

I think the evolved thing was more metaphorical. Species don't really evolve noticeably in a hundred years (unless they have a lifespan of a week). Use of alien civilizations as an analog for social issues is certainly a valid approach, and one that TOS used often.
I love TNG, but the show loved to hit us over the the head with how superior its version of humanity was to everyone else; and it's come out in the wash over the years that a lot of Trek fans didn't like the show specifically because of that aspect. Having one wry observer among a group of humans who've improved but admit they're still working on it is more likable than having an entire crew of humans who are constantly reminding us how perfect they're supposed to be. It's an aspect of the show that hasn't aged well.
 
I sure hope that we'll know what she was "atoning" for and excused killing someone she was supposedly in love with. When people start killing "loved ones" they can kill anybody.
 
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