That was very disruptive! It was hard to get invested to the character when she kept constantly changing. I wonder what was the reason? If they intended her to be a recurring character then why not secure an actor who can consistently do it?
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x05 - "Stardust City Rag"
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No matter what we don't know the reason. There is no reason to read ill will into the situation.
Yeah, agreed. We ultimately don't know the reason and it is pretty pointless to speculate.
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Unless Brophy releases a statement we won't know anyways.
They were considering a romance between her and Garak and thought the original actress was too young, so the initial cast change. Ironically the actress that was considered too young later played an Orion slave girl on ENT, so she grew up nicely.
Alex Kurtzman: Hey, Bri! Wanna show up on Star Trek: Picard?
Brian Brophy: Star Trek: Picard?
Alex Kurtzman: Yeah! You were in an episode of Next Gen, defining Data's rights!
Brian Brophy: I'm sorry. I've done so many roles. It's been so many.
Alex Kurtzman: Would've been 30 years ago.
Brian Brophy: Not ringing a bell. Tell me more about what I did in that. Can you reenact a scene?
Alex Kurtzman: "What is he?!" "A MACHINE!"
Brian Brophy: Oh! Right! That's right! Yes, it's all coming back to me! Star Trek! "Beam me up, Scotty!" Great show!
Alex Kurtzman: Yes! That was an episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation, called "The Measure of a Man". It's a classic! I'll send you a copy to jog your memory.
Brian Brophy: Do that. What was your name again?
Alex Kurtzman: Alex! Alex Kurtzman!
Brian Brophy: Nice. I'm really busy. See those plants out there? They need watering.
Alex Kurtzman: All I see are trees.
Brian Brophy: What? You've never watered trees before? Now get going. Thanks.
Alex Kurtzman: But don't you want to be involved in Star Trek: Picard? We have this awesome script. I think you'd nail it.
Brian Brophy: Ehhh... I don't really do that anymore. I still did it a few years ago but... tell you what. I'll think about it.
Alex Kurtzman: The fans will be really happy if you come back! Here's my card!
Brian Brophy: Great, great. That's nice. And next time don't call me Bri. Bye.
Alex Kurtzman: They're gonna come at me with pitch forks! Help a man out!
Brian Brophy: Hold on. The wife's on the phone.
Alex Kurtzman: I didn't hear anything.
Brian Brophy: It's on silent! NOW GET GOING! GO!!!
Brian Brophy: Star Trek: Picard?
Alex Kurtzman: Yeah! You were in an episode of Next Gen, defining Data's rights!
Brian Brophy: I'm sorry. I've done so many roles. It's been so many.
Alex Kurtzman: Would've been 30 years ago.
Brian Brophy: Not ringing a bell. Tell me more about what I did in that. Can you reenact a scene?
Alex Kurtzman: "What is he?!" "A MACHINE!"
Brian Brophy: Oh! Right! That's right! Yes, it's all coming back to me! Star Trek! "Beam me up, Scotty!" Great show!
Alex Kurtzman: Yes! That was an episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation, called "The Measure of a Man". It's a classic! I'll send you a copy to jog your memory.
Brian Brophy: Do that. What was your name again?
Alex Kurtzman: Alex! Alex Kurtzman!
Brian Brophy: Nice. I'm really busy. See those plants out there? They need watering.
Alex Kurtzman: All I see are trees.
Brian Brophy: What? You've never watered trees before? Now get going. Thanks.
Alex Kurtzman: But don't you want to be involved in Star Trek: Picard? We have this awesome script. I think you'd nail it.
Brian Brophy: Ehhh... I don't really do that anymore. I still did it a few years ago but... tell you what. I'll think about it.
Alex Kurtzman: The fans will be really happy if you come back! Here's my card!
Brian Brophy: Great, great. That's nice. And next time don't call me Bri. Bye.
Alex Kurtzman: They're gonna come at me with pitch forks! Help a man out!
Brian Brophy: Hold on. The wife's on the phone.
Alex Kurtzman: I didn't hear anything.
Brian Brophy: It's on silent! NOW GET GOING! GO!!!
Did we really need to see Icheb's eye get pulled out and then further scenes with his bloody socket hanging there? It seemed like gore for the sake of gore. Well, at least he made Starfleet and I did like that they remembered that he had given Seven his cordial node in Voyager season seven.
Speaking of Seven, the Borg implants looked really bad opposed to what they had on her in Voyager. Seven however was still Seven. The writing kept her as the character she was while growing and developing what had happened to her in those years. The Rangers were a good place for her to go, finding a place to continue to assuage the guilt of what she had done as a Borg and find a "semblance of order." Voyager Seven also would've had gone Rambo if someone had hurt Icheb.
Raffi and Rios are more interesting characters with their blemishes than some of the other flawlessly perfect characters past Trek has brought out. Michelle Hurd acted the hell out of the scene with her son and Santiago Cabrera has been playing Rios (and the different parts of his ship) amazingly.
Did anyone notice Mr. Mot's Hair Emporium on Free Cloud?
How do to the baddies not realize who Picard is until Maddox mentions his name? He was probably one of the most iconic people in the Federation. His face was undoubtedly all over the place during the Romulan evacuation and even if it wasn't, he was Locutus for god's sake.
Did they find Marina Sirtis of thirty years ago to play the main baddie? I swore it was her twin.
Please don't make Elnor the easy laugh because he doesn't get it. I just groaned at "Are we still pretending?"
We don't know why Juratti killed Maddox, but at least it wasn't evil for the sake of evil. She is being coerced and something more is going on.
Speaking of Seven, the Borg implants looked really bad opposed to what they had on her in Voyager. Seven however was still Seven. The writing kept her as the character she was while growing and developing what had happened to her in those years. The Rangers were a good place for her to go, finding a place to continue to assuage the guilt of what she had done as a Borg and find a "semblance of order." Voyager Seven also would've had gone Rambo if someone had hurt Icheb.
Raffi and Rios are more interesting characters with their blemishes than some of the other flawlessly perfect characters past Trek has brought out. Michelle Hurd acted the hell out of the scene with her son and Santiago Cabrera has been playing Rios (and the different parts of his ship) amazingly.
Did anyone notice Mr. Mot's Hair Emporium on Free Cloud?
How do to the baddies not realize who Picard is until Maddox mentions his name? He was probably one of the most iconic people in the Federation. His face was undoubtedly all over the place during the Romulan evacuation and even if it wasn't, he was Locutus for god's sake.
Did they find Marina Sirtis of thirty years ago to play the main baddie? I swore it was her twin.
Please don't make Elnor the easy laugh because he doesn't get it. I just groaned at "Are we still pretending?"
We don't know why Juratti killed Maddox, but at least it wasn't evil for the sake of evil. She is being coerced and something more is going on.
I think you found a new side gig.
Based on her dialogue, it sounds like she was told something about him and his work.
Talking about her line 'Something else for me to atone for', after Maddox talks about their work.
I've seen more than a few comics creators on Twitter and other places complain about the entitlement that comes with online interaction. I believe that ability to interact with the creators can create and amplify a sense of involvement with the creation of the product the artists produce that was not nearly as amplified before the internet. Bringing Holmes back from the dead was a wild outlier change that seems not nearly so far fetched to achieve in the era of internet awareness.You know, you may be onto something there. Maybe it's less about taking this stuff literally than about taking it more personally than before. As though recasting a part in a popular franchise is somehow "disrespecting" the audience or whatever. Look at all the hyperbolic language you see about how some given movie or tv episode is "a slap in the face" to fans.
I was disappointed when they recast Saavik back in the day, but I don't recall taking it as a personal affront.
And, honestly, Valerie Hobson was a lot more appealing than Mae Clarke back in the thirties.
Glad we got at least one scene with Seven and Picard. It was interesting watching her brush off JL’s attempt to guilt her into coming around to his way of thinking. This is no longer the Ent-D.
Yeah, that scene with Icheb was brutal. Man, his screaming was...damn!
Got a real kick out of Picard’s “French pirate” routine. It was genuinely funny.
The scene with Raffi and her son was poignant and so sad. I’m glad we were shown that she had a good reason for going to Freecloud. Apparently, her job and her addiction came before her son. I could definitely see his viewpoint. It’ll be interesting to see if this arc will be resolved, or in keeping with the tone of the show, if what we saw of it is final. Gabe’s little Vulcan wife was a bit of a surprise. But I’m glad Raffi will continue with JL.
I don’t think Jurati is working for Romulans. I think it is personal.
Looking forward to the second half of the season.
Yeah, that scene with Icheb was brutal. Man, his screaming was...damn!
Got a real kick out of Picard’s “French pirate” routine. It was genuinely funny.
The scene with Raffi and her son was poignant and so sad. I’m glad we were shown that she had a good reason for going to Freecloud. Apparently, her job and her addiction came before her son. I could definitely see his viewpoint. It’ll be interesting to see if this arc will be resolved, or in keeping with the tone of the show, if what we saw of it is final. Gabe’s little Vulcan wife was a bit of a surprise. But I’m glad Raffi will continue with JL.
I don’t think Jurati is working for Romulans. I think it is personal.
Looking forward to the second half of the season.
Indeed. Despite fan's passion they still don't have ownership of the franchise. I think that creates a lot of frustration and bears reminding from time to time of where ownership begins and ends.
I, too, was sort of expecting the original actor to reprise the role. But as you said, he's there for only one episode and then gone. So maybe it didn't matter.
60s had their issues as well,among other things there was the Vietnam war and civil rights problems in USA, I mean TOS dared to have a white man kissing a black woman on TV for the very first time at a time where people were still get murdered for equal rights...
I understand TV has changed and its more realistic, sexiest and goriest than 50 years ago, but that doesn't mean it has to be full with grim, dark stories.. Especially in our times, especially for a franchise that use(d?) to focus on the good side of humanity.
Not everything has to be BSG..
I know you’re being facetious, but I doubt that’s how it went down at all. I’m pretty sure no one even bothered to try to contact Brophy to get him to reprise his role, because his character just didn’t resonate like Ryan’s and Del Arco’s characters did. Plus,
The guy just gets killed off in the same episode he was introduced in, so it’s not like there was a whole lot of time for any character moments on his part. I’m pretty sure 7 of 9 and Hugh will be around for a bit longer.
I'm picturing Admiral Janeway learning that Icheb died in the line of duty. It couldn't have been pleasant. Icheb and the other freed Borg children were extended family not only to Seven but to Janeway.
Janeway was still losing her family even after getting them back home.
Janeway was still losing her family even after getting them back home.
He was off on his own away from his starship apparently on 'leave',I'm picturing Admiral Janeway learning that Icheb died in the line of duty. It couldn't have been pleasant. Icheb and the other freed Borg children were extended family not only to Seven but to Janeway.
Janeway was still losing her family even after getting them back home.
it really wasn't "in the line of duty".
He was helping his surrogate mother who is taking the law in her own hands.
Something I'm pretty sure Star Fleet would frown upon.
He still didn't need to die so horribly though, Seven will never forgive herself for letting Icheb become involved.
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You know what I mean. He was in uniform and died needlessly.