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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x05 - "Stardust City Rag"

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I don't give a shit about if you hate it. So we're clear. I'm just noting the "new show" / "new forum" smell is gone. Five episodes seems about right. I gave ENT six episodes before I moved on. Of course, I did the smart thing. People here, today, who felt as I did back then, won't.

I don't care that you don't care and that's not really what the point of my comment was.

I'm just wondering what you mean by the change in tone in the forum and I'm still not quite clear on what you mean.
 
You might want to take those Rose-Colored glasses off and review Trek History.
Star Trek actually tells us right from the get-go that humans in the future are trying to achieve that goal, not that they have completely.
There are so many examples of 23rd & 24th Century People not yet getting there, that I don't even know where to begin.
I don't really agree with this but that is just me.
 
Rangers: Seven it could be the new Black Sails.

Picard: Seven, revenge is not the way of humanity.

Seven: The way of humanity, Picard? This ends when Star Fleet and the Federation beg my forgiveness.

Seven activates the artifact and unleashes hell.
 
Im just done with Picard no more
Peace and long life.
Use of clarifying capitalization and punctuation wouldn't hurt either.

@The Old Mixer

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Looks like we've finally reached the point where the "grace period" is over. This is basically like a thread for a new episode of Discovery. Well, not quite, but close enough. It has that type of vibe now. Almost.
Nah, that's been going on for at least the last couple of weeks.
 
Weakest episode for me so far. It didn't work for me as well as the previous episodes. I was hoping we'd get far more out of Maddox than we did, given his importance in the story to date, but it's like the information just barely dribbled out. And Picard's accent via his disguise was terrible. The whole thing just ended up feeling quite weird to me too in terms of story and pacing.
 
I think the show maintains very high quality. I have enjoyed every episode and my biggest disappointment has been that I need to wait a week for the next one. I of course have some minor quibbles, but overall this is pretty damn great. My biggest worry is related to the central conspiracy/secret plot, as I'm afraid that they can't resolve it neatly or it will be revealed to be something completely stupid. Though Chabon seems to know what he is doing, so that gives me hope that he might be able to successfully pull it off too.
 
Everything is louder now. It's the internet. But those discussions have happened... decades ago.

Perhaps. But at the risk of channeling my inner curmudgeon, it does sometimes seem to me that modern audiences do seem to find recasting more egregious than back in the old days, which I see as part and parcel with the whole modern obsession with "canon" and all that. Is it just me or do modern audiences take this stuff way more literally these days, as opposed to when, say, you could recast Jane in an old Johnny Weissmuller TARZAN movie and nobody lost sleep over whether this meant that we in an "alternate timeline" or whatever. :)

And I'm not just talking Trek fandom here. I still remember being taken aback when the IRON MAN movies recast Rhodey and the internet howled in as though this had never happened in the history of Hollywood before.

Does nobody else remember Valerie Hobson replacing Mae Clarke as Dr. Frankenstein's fiancee in the original Universal FRANKENSTEIN movies, or Ilona Massey replacing Evelyn Ankers as Dr. Frankenstein's grand-daughter in the sequels?

My point being that recasting has been going on forever, but it does seem to me as though modern audiences are more allergic to it than audiences in the past.

Not sure that's an improvement.
 
I don't care that you don't care
Well I don't care if you don't care that he doesn't care that...woah, vertigo. Hey, Norton...!

It was all roses before. It felt like a cake-walk and a love-fest. Now it doesn't. Just noting the difference.
Admit it, you were skipping 20 pages at a time, weren't you?
 
Perhaps. But at the risk of channeling my inner curmudgeon, it does sometimes seem to me that modern audiences do seem to find recasting more egregious than back in the old days, which I see as part and parcel with the whole modern obsession with "canon" and all that. Is it just me or do modern audiences take this stuff way more literally these days, as opposed to when, say, you could recast Jane in an old Johnny Weissmuller TARZAN movie and nobody lost sleep over whether this meant that we in an "alternate timeline" or whatever. :)

And I'm not just talking Trek fandom here. I still remember being taken aback when the IRON MAN movies recast Rhodey and the internet howled in as though this had never happened in the history of Hollywood before.

Does nobody else remember Valerie Hobson replacing Mae Clarke as Dr. Frankenstein's fiancee in the original Universal FRANKENSTEIN movies, or Ilona Massey replacing Evelyn Ankers as Dr. Frankenstein's grand-daughter in the sequels?

My point being that recasting has been going on forever, but it does seem to me as though modern audiences are more allergic to it than audiences in the past.

Not sure that's an improvement.
Get Greg a chair to yell at. :)

I think social media helps sustain outrage and discontent. Not just because folks can create echo chambers but because there is a sense of interaction with the content makers. Social media outrage is the radioactive monster the letter writing campaigns of old turned into.
 
But at the risk of channeling my inner curmudgeon
Say, that'd be a nifty-sounding handle: The Inner Curmudgeon

I confess: I alway skip past the pages and pages of pre-episode chatter and speculation and only read the comments posted after we've finally seen the episode.
That's understandable. I've tended to do the same in movie threads and such.
 
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