Telltale went out of business a while back. What is there now is a shell of what it was.
Spoilers New Picard TV Series and Litverse Continuity (may contain TV show spoilers)
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Telltale went out of business a while back. What is there now is a shell of what it was.
I meant more that type of game, which is part cartoon, part point and click.
So basically, Judgement Rites with flashy graphics.
It's interesting to me that, in the midst of this very cynical "standard business" hot take, it doesn't seem to have occurred to you that a media conglomerate might want to hold onto a BIg Five publisher as a generator and incubator of IP which can then be vertically integrated in the opposite direction.
You seem to miss what everyone in this thread has been saying about canon, including the writers behind much of this tie-in fiction.
Star Trek fans are crazy obsessed with continuity and canon. If you don't believe me, go look at the level of detail in the Star Fleet Technical Manual, initially created as a fan work that later became an officially licensed work and was even used in the films, at a time before home media allowing the creator to review episodes even existed. SNL was making fun of Star Trek fans and their obsession with canon and detail before many people on this message board were even born.
Honestly, you sound very dismissive of Star Trek fans by saying we don't care, when you clearly aren't familiar with us and how we have dealt with this stuff for more than 50 years now.
The difference is people here have been through several iterations of Paramount/CBS/Viacom who have consistently swept licensed media continuity away in favor of what is on screen.
You mentioned at one point that Viacom would move to a more "hard canon" approach to tie-in media because of Nickelodeons involvement or something, but the fact of the matter is almost no media franchise works like that. Star Wars claims it does, but any fan could tell you that didn't even last through a second movie before things in novels and comics were getting contradicted by stuff on screen. At least with Star Trek, they have always been honest with us about the state of the books and comics; Lucasfilm may give lip service to a comic with 10,000 readers having the same weight when it comes to being canon as a film seen by millions of people, but it's not the case now and it wasn't in the past when we had G-Canon and C-Canon and such.
Do Star Trek fans care about canon? Of course, I would argue more than most considering the decades fans have spent combing through everything to document and explain every tiny detail. But that means we also understand what is canon (the shows and films), and what is not canon (books, comics, videos games, RPGs, action figures, etc), and we can enjoy consuming both while still understanding that distinction.
Taking this back to the topic at hand, this would include Last Best Hope which is also not canon, but clearly fits with the series bible and current understandings of the creators of Picard and gives us insight into what may have led to the current state of things. To be clear though, we have had novels from those involved with production staff before (Jeri Taylor's Mosaic and Pathways novels from Voyager) that represented current thinking behind the shows creators that was later contradicted by stuff on screen, so still not canon.
I did find reading Last Best Hope really did increase my interest in Picard and I can't wait for more, both episodes and future novels set at the end of the 24th century.
If only that was how that worked.
Can you name one instance where that’s the case?
No?
Oh right, there’s a reason for that.
I mean, wouldn't DC Comics under Warner for the last 50 years, and Marvel under Disney for the last 10, count as that? Media conglomerates are a very real part of our world these days.
Because I can’t be bothered to wait for you to reply with more misinformed clumsiness, a book publisher does not and cannot have any arrangement like you suggested.
Dramatic rights to books are almost always handled by dedicated literary agents who have direct connections to producers far and wide.
If what you said was possible, it would have happened many years ago and to all the publishing companies. Did you not think that all the major studios or major content players wouldn’t have jumped on it already, if it were possible?
Per this article, S&S doesn’t even appear to have a first look deal with CBS for tie-ins. So rollback the enthusiasm for some sort of mass integration to realistic levels.
I’ve laid out my reasons for why S&S being sold is a possibility. It simply doesn’t fit in with the company. If a major online outlet like Cnet is deemed a “non-core” asset and up for sale, when you’d think they would keep it given their streaming focus, then so is S&S.
S&S isn’t DC Comics nor Marvel. The majority of their books aren’t going to be adapted into anything. And the books they publish that are worth adapting would be rights managed by a dedicated literary agent.
I, for one, think it is a mistake.
Preferably with a console release. I'm a big gamer, and a new single player story driven console Star Trek game is pretty much my #1 most wanted game.
In general, outside of TV tie-in books and such, book publishers do NOT acquire the film and TV rights to books they publish. Those are usually retained by the author and their agent.
Publishers profit from a big media adaptation only indirectly--in that a hit movie or TV show can boost sales of the original book to an enormous degree.
(Hell, LITTLE WOMEN is back on the bestseller lists again, thanks to the new movie.)
Publishers profit from a big media adaptation only indirectly--in that a hit movie or TV show can boost sales of the original book to an enormous degree.
(Hell, LITTLE WOMEN is back on the bestseller lists again, thanks to the new movie.)
Ok, here's a question I'm wondering about with the destruction of Romulus. I almost put this in the thread about the new Picard book but then thought it probably would fit better here.
Setting aside the question of how much notice there would really be from a supernova lets say, for whatever reason there wasn't the advanced warning of the supernova that we see in Picard. Just assume for the moment they only had a few months notice.
How would the Federation of the litverse as we left it in "Collateral Damage" react--and what role would the characters from the various series play, esp. from TNG and Titan?
I also wonder how people think would the Typhon Pact react? As allies, one would think they would help with evacuations and that sort of thing. But there is also a power struggle in the Pact, particularly with the Breen and Tzenkethi jockeying for dominance. Would they see this as an opportunity to exert more influence?
And there's the Federation. We know from Star Trek (2009) that the Vulcans were involved with the creation of red matter, so we have to think the Federation was on board with trying to help.
Setting aside the question of how much notice there would really be from a supernova lets say, for whatever reason there wasn't the advanced warning of the supernova that we see in Picard. Just assume for the moment they only had a few months notice.
How would the Federation of the litverse as we left it in "Collateral Damage" react--and what role would the characters from the various series play, esp. from TNG and Titan?
I also wonder how people think would the Typhon Pact react? As allies, one would think they would help with evacuations and that sort of thing. But there is also a power struggle in the Pact, particularly with the Breen and Tzenkethi jockeying for dominance. Would they see this as an opportunity to exert more influence?
And there's the Federation. We know from Star Trek (2009) that the Vulcans were involved with the creation of red matter, so we have to think the Federation was on board with trying to help.
There'd certainly not be enough time to mount the evacuation plans we have seen in the "The Last Best Hope", though I imagine the Federation of the litverse would offer as much help as it could in the short time available. And that Romulan Empire under Kamenor I believe would be more open about accepting help. I could see some resistance from the 'old' guard but I think she would prevail.
And I have to think, like in Picard, Captain Picard would want to be involved, though in that case the Enterprise would also be involved with whatever aid they could provide, as would Admiral Riker and the Titan. It's harder to say what characters from the other series might do since some of them might be too far away to do anything significant. Seeing where the litverse ended up at to this point, and Admiral Akaar, I believe in that case Starfleet would throw whatever resources they could to help. I think Admiral Akaar would crack anyone's skulls who dared complained about those resources, and I think the current Federation President would be fully supportive as well (esp. considering the issues Andoria had faced in its reproductive crisis).
And I have to think, like in Picard, Captain Picard would want to be involved, though in that case the Enterprise would also be involved with whatever aid they could provide, as would Admiral Riker and the Titan. It's harder to say what characters from the other series might do since some of them might be too far away to do anything significant. Seeing where the litverse ended up at to this point, and Admiral Akaar, I believe in that case Starfleet would throw whatever resources they could to help. I think Admiral Akaar would crack anyone's skulls who dared complained about those resources, and I think the current Federation President would be fully supportive as well (esp. considering the issues Andoria had faced in its reproductive crisis).
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It's more just questions I have. I don't really expect answers. Sadly I don't think they will ever be answered. I do think it's possible a novel will cover the Supernova in greater, but I strongly suspect it will be in the Picard universe and the questions I have will be moot since they won't apply to the Picard universe.
I was rambling a bit (mostly just admittedly uneducated guesses based on prior novels). But Christopher indicated in the novel thread that there's probably just no way to include the nova in the current relaunches at this point since something like a supernova wouldn't just happen without years of warning. The relaunches would have had to have started talking about it years earlier in the timeline, which hasn't happened. Considering that reasoning it's probably just too late for the litverse to get into it (plus I have a strong suspicion that "To Lose the Earth" will be the final 24th century relaunch novel).
EDIT: I added a spoiler code to my rambling guesses, just to be safe. I left the questions intact because they are truly questions I'd be interested to see answered within the current litverse, and things we already knew (like the Vulcans developing Red Matter).
But I am curious are there other questions people have about how the current litverse handles Romulus? I'm not looking for answers, just questions people would have liked to have seen answered about it had it been covered in that timeline.
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Looks like the Voyager relaunch is the happy, Disney version of Icheb and Seven's post-Voyager life.
Here's a question, shifting tracks to the new Picard show (I thought about creating a new thread on the topic, but it kind of could apply to this one--and I'm reluctant to create new threads unless it's absolutely necessary).
It seems that the previous litverse has come to an end for the most part. We'll have one more Voyager book and I'll keep hoping against hope they'll be a DS9 finale (as unlikely as that probably is).
But does anyone think we might get any new Picard books that take place or show us what the Enterprise-E is doing during this period in the new continuity? For Discovery we did have a novel that showed us what the Enterprise was doing during the first season. We don't know what the Enterprise-E is doing after Picard gets his promotion other than it wasn't involved with the evacuation. I wonder if we might get almost an alternate timeline story of what was happening on the Enterprise under Captain Worf. Perhaps it might even be able to incorporate one or two litverse characters into this alternate timeline (assuming we don't get a lot of information from the Picard show about the Enterprise during those years--leaving things open to be filled in). I might be curious to see a novel written in the new continuity that shows us what they are up to in the new continuity, a la "The Enterprise War" for Discovery. Perhaps it might even explore what happened to the DS9 and Voyager characters in this new timeline in some fashion that aren't already part of the show (or perhaps future books might explore that as well).
And one of the minor nitpicks I have from "The Last Best Hope" was that there was no real final farewell of Picard to the Enterprise. A new Enterprise based Picard novel might incorporate that in a bit more detail, using the framework from "The Last Best Hope" to flesh that out just a bit more at the start.
It seems that the previous litverse has come to an end for the most part. We'll have one more Voyager book and I'll keep hoping against hope they'll be a DS9 finale (as unlikely as that probably is).
But does anyone think we might get any new Picard books that take place or show us what the Enterprise-E is doing during this period in the new continuity? For Discovery we did have a novel that showed us what the Enterprise was doing during the first season. We don't know what the Enterprise-E is doing after Picard gets his promotion other than it wasn't involved with the evacuation. I wonder if we might get almost an alternate timeline story of what was happening on the Enterprise under Captain Worf. Perhaps it might even be able to incorporate one or two litverse characters into this alternate timeline (assuming we don't get a lot of information from the Picard show about the Enterprise during those years--leaving things open to be filled in). I might be curious to see a novel written in the new continuity that shows us what they are up to in the new continuity, a la "The Enterprise War" for Discovery. Perhaps it might even explore what happened to the DS9 and Voyager characters in this new timeline in some fashion that aren't already part of the show (or perhaps future books might explore that as well).
And one of the minor nitpicks I have from "The Last Best Hope" was that there was no real final farewell of Picard to the Enterprise. A new Enterprise based Picard novel might incorporate that in a bit more detail, using the framework from "The Last Best Hope" to flesh that out just a bit more at the start.
