No. This is magical thinking. It assumes that humans have skills that AI can never replicate. This simply is not true.
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I will be impressed when AI can replicate counselors. Until then, I shall enjoy my job.
That that probably will be safe for a while. I teach art to kids so I think I too will be among the last to be replaced by robots. But it will still happen eventually, though not necessarily during our lifetimes. Many other jobs will go soon though.
In Trek AI is actually pretty implausibly underutilised, but it probably would make a rather boring show were they more realistic in that area.
The AI is constantly monitoring people's brainwaves. I'm good with that...barely.
I've already seen that CGP Grey video. That being said, I believe the best results is Man + Machine.
Not (Man or Machine). And we as society will figure out the balance between humanity and automation along with where to draw lines at.
Just like your magical thinking that there is "Infinite Free Energy"?
No. I merely recognise that at some point with advanced energy generation methods such as fusion there will be enough energy that it will surpass what people can reasonably need for their personal consumption.
And do you think people will allow such willy nilly consumption of energy without compensation of some form?
Right now, with enough Solar Panels that are tracking the sun and a small amount of Battery, you can effectively live off-grid if you wanted. Same with Water Collection, Purification, and storage.
Along with Personal Waste Management and Food Generation.
My assumption is that Earth life is extremely luxurious, post-scarcity, and people mostly have all their needs taken care of. It's also a place where there will be the occasional anachronism of someone who can't get their life together. They won't ever starve, lack for shelter, or need to pay for a medical bill. They will, however, be unhappy because the Federation can't fix personal relationships.
I will further state that I imagine for a statistically significant portion of humanity that Protestant Work EthicTM is still a thing. That means the planet is hellish as there will be many more qualified people than jobs in a place that is so heavily automated. Thus an endless number of colonists who want to feel useful settling planets.
I will further state that I imagine for a statistically significant portion of humanity that Protestant Work EthicTM is still a thing. That means the planet is hellish as there will be many more qualified people than jobs in a place that is so heavily automated. Thus an endless number of colonists who want to feel useful settling planets.
People should read the book ‘Trekonomics: The Economics of Star Trek’ by Manu Saadia as it goes into quite a lot of details on how things work in a post-scarcity world.
https://www.amazon.com/Trekonomics-Economics-Star-Trek/dp/B01JK09F3I
https://www.amazon.com/Trekonomics-Economics-Star-Trek/dp/B01JK09F3I
While there's merit in discussing whether the Federation has some sort of a money economy, I think it's pretty obvious that a pure, American-style money economy is not something we've seen on Star Trek. People are quick to point to Crusher straight-up buying that cloth at Farpoint Station, but that was decidedly outside the borders of the Federation. Other than that, we've never seen our characters actually buying anything with money within the borders of the Federation. Babylon 5 had credit chits and reading slots on every vendor's counter, so it should be a pretty easy thing to film (e.g it's not like they just didn't feel it was necessary to show the characters checking out), but we haven't seen anything like this in the Federation.
I personally think the Federation has some sort of a hybrid economy; there is some sort of money, but there's not much you could actually spend it on in the civilized core of the Federation. When you have replicators, you can't really talk of scarcity. We've never been told what kind of raw materials the replicators use, but I'd guess it's hydrogen, e.g. the most abundant element in the entire universe. It's practically impossible to run out of hydrogen, and I don't really see the Federation hoarding it just so that they could generate artificial scarcity.
And most important of all, if one were to propose that the Federation has a pure money economy, they have to contend with the fact that this presupposes that there are haves and have-nots in the Federation. There are people who have to subsist on replicator rations because they can't buy more replicator material. There are people who have to rent a room in a dilapidated concrete apartment block with five other people because they are stuck at a low-paying job and can't even afford to rent their own place. That there are people who are forced to sell their bodies or work for the mafia to sustain themselves. Not on the frontier that the Federation can't police, on Earth. Which is supposed to be a paradise. I can't say this meshes well with what we know about the Federation.
Simply based on what we've seen about Earth, it's pretty obvious that at the very least there's an extensive welfare state, with the government providing most basic amenities like food, housing, healthcare, education or public transport. Yeah, Raffi lives in a cabin. But it's pretty obvious it was her personal choice. Yeah, Picard pays Rios for the transport. But that doesn't mean you have to pay everyone. You pay those who can fly off the books. But a Federation-operated starliner to Betazed? That's probably free of charge.
I personally think the Federation has some sort of a hybrid economy; there is some sort of money, but there's not much you could actually spend it on in the civilized core of the Federation. When you have replicators, you can't really talk of scarcity. We've never been told what kind of raw materials the replicators use, but I'd guess it's hydrogen, e.g. the most abundant element in the entire universe. It's practically impossible to run out of hydrogen, and I don't really see the Federation hoarding it just so that they could generate artificial scarcity.
And most important of all, if one were to propose that the Federation has a pure money economy, they have to contend with the fact that this presupposes that there are haves and have-nots in the Federation. There are people who have to subsist on replicator rations because they can't buy more replicator material. There are people who have to rent a room in a dilapidated concrete apartment block with five other people because they are stuck at a low-paying job and can't even afford to rent their own place. That there are people who are forced to sell their bodies or work for the mafia to sustain themselves. Not on the frontier that the Federation can't police, on Earth. Which is supposed to be a paradise. I can't say this meshes well with what we know about the Federation.
Simply based on what we've seen about Earth, it's pretty obvious that at the very least there's an extensive welfare state, with the government providing most basic amenities like food, housing, healthcare, education or public transport. Yeah, Raffi lives in a cabin. But it's pretty obvious it was her personal choice. Yeah, Picard pays Rios for the transport. But that doesn't mean you have to pay everyone. You pay those who can fly off the books. But a Federation-operated starliner to Betazed? That's probably free of charge.
Can't see anything wrong with Raffi cabin.
It looks stable, it is spacious and likely has inside climate control, a replicator and other amenities.
For a junkie that's pretty good living if you ask me.
Yeah, exactly. I mostly referred to it because I've seen people pointing to it on various sites as evidence of nuTrek crapping at Gene's VisionTM because it's apparently the epitome of Dickensian squalor, at least compared to Picard's villa. I mean, it's probably not the best real estate that would be available to her (I think she could pretty easily apply for an apartment in San Francisco if she wanted to), but it's not exactly Turkana IV quality.
Ridiculous moaning from the "genes vision" crowed if you ask me.
90% of the world today would love to live in such luxury! Even in in the UK a RICH western nation owning a property with such space is a luxury! And if it has a replicator? What more could you need?
A washed out paranoid junkie rambling on about conspiracy's would today be living under a bridge begging passersby for change.
In Trekonomics it is suggestion that the ‘currency’ of the Federation is reputation, merit, prestige and recognition. That is why Raffi is so ‘poor’, all that was taken away from her, they even took away her security clearance.
The bastards....
Everyone has their basic needs met but if you're shunned by the Establishment you're still down the rungs of the ladder. Yeah, I can see that happening. Nobody goes without food or medical care but at the same time few people respect you anymore if the system doesn't hold you in high esteem.
Sounds like Europe to me
Well, parts of it.
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