Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x05 - "Stardust City Rag"

[Awesome Possum]

Maybe Icheb was transferring out of science and into Command like Janeway.

Janeway was originally on the Science path.

The alternate future Icheb was on the command track too and he had an admiration of Kirk. Him going down command path makes sense. Janeway could have also been something of an inspiration too given their similarities and her connection to Seven who was his surrogate mother and she was shown to have some connection with the borg kids.

 

[fireproof78]

I'd be right with you if it was, say, Tarantino's promised ultra-violent R-rated Trek. And generally speaking I won't even touch a show with an MA rating. It's the stuff I mentioned in my previous post—repeated promises by the current producers that they won't include R-rated material, marketing using 7-year-olds watching the show, etc.—that makes this feel like a very uncomfortable bait-and-switch to me.



I can (and do) respect that.

I'll do my best to respect a different point of view but "bait and switch " is very odd terminology that I can't agree with. The rating is the rating. Some may allow youngers to watch it. I preview everything first. My kids wouldn't like TNG and I certainly don't treat it as a family show.

Mileage will vary.

 

[Amaris]

All in all, a good episode, not my favorite, but definitely good and consistently entertaining. This episode gets a solid 7 from me.

 

[Yistaan]

Outraged fandom rewrite of opening scene...

SEVEN OF NINE: "Oh, poor Bob, you've always been like a son to me ever since you tried to steal a shuttlecraft from Deep Space Four and I caught you and discovered you had a talent for Parrises Squares and then for the next five years we grew closer as I took you from tournament to tournament and then you wanted to join Starfleet and I couldn't have been more proud of you to become Admiral Bishop's understudy and you two proved a theory about dark matter. Now I'm sad that you're dying and it's all my fault."

Isn't that basically what this "relationship" with Bjayzl was? Out of nowhere? She doesn't even remotely seem like the type of person Seven would get close to.

 

[Cpt. Kyle Amasov]

True. I was really annoyed that they went again with a young woman loving some guy old enough to be her father trope. Those kinds of relationships are totally overrepresented in series and movies for sexist reasons and they already had one on DIS with Mudd and his girlfriend recently. And it was so unnecessary here, too. They should have just kept it as a close mentor/pupil relationship or maybe added a bit of a father/daughter vibe to them if they wanted to make the betrayal at the end more surprising and harsh.

They expand this love story in the novel. These are the moments when I think 10 episodes is not enough to flesh out the characters and world. What modern shows need are some old-fashioned character-centric episodes. One for each main cast member.

 

[DaveyNY]

Funny how people who are working and socializing day-to-day over very long periods of time, can often become romantically involved with each other no matter what their ages are.

Humans are certainly weird that way.

 

[USS Excelsior]

Who was that, was that Echeb

 

[Danja]

Who was that, was that Echeb

Yes.

 

[Yistaan]

They expand this love story in the novel. These are the moments when I think 10 episodes is not enough to flesh out the characters and world. What modern shows need are some old-fashioned character-centric episodes. One for each main cast member.

Maybe it's Seven of Nine and Bjayzl that needs a novel...

 

[Kelso]

I wouldn't ordinarily cheer when a Star Trek character is recast, gruesomely tortured, and murdered before the opening credits... but at least we don't have to worry about that creep showing up on Trek again.

 

[Cake]

I really wonder why some part of the Federation hates androids so much that they seemingly took part in the Mars attack and also why they didn't try to prevent their build though political means before. We have seen so many evil adroids and AI and computers and cyborgs and so on in past Star Trek series that it should be possible to argue against their build though political means. I mean hard physical work could also be done by non intelligent not humanoid machines. There is no need to have human like androids walking around. They could have tried to sway the public to their opinion and might have succeeded with it. But it seems there was no open anti android movement before the Mars attack, so they didn't even try.

 

[Mojochi]

Kind of a shame they couldn't manage to have Brian Brophy reprise Maddox. All in all, I'm still having a hard time warming up to the show, but despite having been a bit critical so far, I'll admit this one wasn't so bad.

It was actually good to have Jeri Ryan around. I hope we get much more of her. She gave it a bit more to dig your teeth into, & the plot moved along a bit more, so that we can feel like we're actually getting somewhere finally. BTW, it's almost unbelievable how good Jeri Ryan still looks.

I was relieved to have no Romulan guy & his sister in this episode. It helped the pacing a lot imho. They've been dragging the show down. I do wish we could veer away from how soap opera-ish it feels sometimes, that Raffi son stuff especially.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

I'm not happy that Icheb or Maddock got recasted.

I wanted all the original actors to reprise their roles.

 

[Danja]

Maybe it's Seven of Nine and Bjayzl that needs a novel...

This is going to be the `ship that launches a thousand fanfics.

 

[Yistaan]

This is going to be the `ship that launches a thousand fanfics.

Ok, I'll start, Bjayzl sabotaged Chakotay's transporter beam and when he beamed over a misshapen mess, she was the first to "comfort" Seven as a concerned friend.

 

[Brad]

On other fronts: was "Jay" (the slinky villainess) supposed to be a dead ringer for Marina Sirtis?

OMG Young Marina Sirtis looked so much like the actress playing the mob boss woman (Necar Zadegan)!! I thought they were going to reveal that she was Diana's daughter! She's called Bjayzl, Jay for short, but didn't catch her last name (but come on its gotta be Bjayzl Troy. The actress (played by actress Necar Zadegan) -- I was totally thinking this could actually be Marina Sirtis' daughter in real life, if not playing that in the show. Look at really young photos of Marina Sirtis like in her mid 20's, more current ones look way different, she's aged gracefully, but looks way different now ... Unlike Jeri Ryan who apparently doesn't age at all.

 

[cooleddie74]

Ok, I'll start, Bjayzl sabotaged Chakotay's transporter beam and when he beamed over a misshapen mess, she was the first to "comfort" Seven as a concerned friend.

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[AlanC9]

I really hope she appears again when Picard and everyone else deals more with the Borg part of the series, because otherwise I agree that it would be weird that she is used for this plot, but not for the other.

Spoiler: You'll likely get your wish

IMDB confirms Jeri Ryan as being in six episodes this season; the two we've seen, and the last four. It's not likely that these are credits-only appearances since she is not defined as a series regualr, IIRC.

 

[Tracer Bullet]

I'm not happy that Icheb or Maddock got recasted.

I wanted all the original actors to reprise their roles.

I don’t care at all that Icheb got recast because the guy that played him is a total creep.

Maddox is a bit of a head-scratcher but there must be some reason for it.

 

[Yistaan]

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And we haven't even gotten to the part where Bjayzl ingratiates herself with Seven's friends by giving Janeway coffee and playing kadis kot with Naomi!