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Problem is growing without losing its identity witch im afraid its going to do, loose its identity and just be general fluff like that other scifi franchise thats very overrated

I think personally the direction Trek is going in is going to massively backfire. The problem is these new shows are not good nor interesting and have no hook. They retain nothing really what makes Trek an unique sci-fi franchise and are clearly just trying to be Mass Effect mashed with every trope from Prestige television with a Trek skin and frankly are just frankly atrociously written and paced and outside of TrekBBS and /r/StarTrek I find almost nobody I know who likes these shows or even watches them.
You can tell they're going for the Star Wars/Mass Effect audience but all the Star Wars/ME friends of mine dropped Discovery after like 3 episodes into S2 and all of them dropped Picard after 2 episodes. The fact is, there are far better sci-fi shows out there on much better and larger streaming platforms than what we are getting out the Trek franchise at the moment.

What these new shows have done though, is put Star Trek sort of back into popular consciousness, so what I'm seeing among my younger Gen Y and Zoomer friends is people rediscovering TNG, DS9, ENT and Voy and loving them. Every time I'm in the Pub and TV show talk comes up and Star Trek comes up which is suprisingly often, people are watching DS9, ENT or TNG again or for the first time. What is also more interesting to me is a lot of Gen Y/Zoomer women are starting to bring up they're watching TNG or Voyager etc.

People here and on /r/StarTrek that everyone wants some lame dark mystery box soap opera in space, but honestly in this time where the real world sucks, politics is awful and things are stressful, I think people legitimately just connect with the Utopian, relaxed, COMFY shows that B&B Trek are. The reason I put comfy in capitals is because that is what I hear repeatedly from people IRL who are now watching TNG, it's just a comfy show.

Unpopular opinion:

- 2009 is the best Trek movie, Wrath is insanely overrated.
- The Novelization of The Motion Picture had a lot of really good future human society ideas that I wish made it into Trek, Gene's more "psychedelic" ideas present in the book would have made for a very interesting and forward thinking representation of humans hundreds of years from now, from far more open and free sexuality to the expansion of human consciousness and the rise of transhumanism and Anarcho-Communism with the New Human movement.
 
I think personally the direction Trek is going in is going to massively backfire. The problem is these new shows are not good nor interesting and have no hook. They retain nothing really what makes Trek an unique sci-fi franchise and are clearly just trying to be Mass Effect mashed with every trope from Prestige television with a Trek skin and frankly are just frankly atrociously written and paced and outside of TrekBBS and /r/StarTrek I find almost nobody I know who likes these shows or even watches them.
You can tell they're going for the Star Wars/Mass Effect audience but all the Star Wars/ME friends of mine dropped Discovery after like 3 episodes into S2 and all of them dropped Picard after 2 episodes. The fact is, there are far better sci-fi shows out there on much better and larger streaming platforms than what we are getting out the Trek franchise at the moment.

What these new shows have done though, is put Star Trek sort of back into popular consciousness, so what I'm seeing among my younger Gen Y and Zoomer friends is people rediscovering TNG, DS9, ENT and Voy and loving them. Every time I'm in the Pub and TV show talk comes up and Star Trek comes up which is suprisingly often, people are watching DS9, ENT or TNG again or for the first time. What is also more interesting to me is a lot of Gen Y/Zoomer women are starting to bring up they're watching TNG or Voyager etc.

People here and on /r/StarTrek that everyone wants some lame dark mystery box soap opera in space, but honestly in this time where the real world sucks, politics is awful and things are stressful, I think people legitimately just connect with the Utopian, relaxed, COMFY shows that B&B Trek are. The reason I put comfy in capitals is because that is what I hear repeatedly from people IRL who are now watching TNG, it's just a comfy show.

Which is ironic, given that the Mass Effect series were supposed to be heavily influenced by Star Trek.

The darker route that Trek has embraced is probably part of the reason The Orville has popularity; there’s an audience out there that just wants a feel-good Trek-like show.

There’s also the factor that entertainment wise, the old stuff is preferred over the new stuff due to the new stuff not having the charm of the old stuff.

[/QUOTE]- The Novelization of The Motion Picture had a lot of really good future human society ideas that I wish made it into Trek, Gene's more "psychedelic" ideas present in the book would have made for a very interesting and forward thinking representation of humans hundreds of years from now, from far more open and free sexuality to the expansion of human consciousness and the rise of transhumanism and Anarcho-Communism with the New Human movement.[/QUOTE]

I kind of think this is the future of Trek and how they get back to exploring. It does kind of feel like Star Trek needs its own Infinity War to reset everything though.
 
By-and-large, I think she was a dull character. Though she does stand out in "Remember Me" and "Sub Rosa".

I liked her in "High Ground" and "The Host" and "Data's Day"
But I think she had a lot of wasted potential. There seemed to be a lot of promise to her in Season 1 (particularly with the idea that Wesley might have actually been Picard's son and the faint hints that there might be tension between the three because of jack's death) which had kinda disappeared when she got back in season 3.
 
I liked her in "High Ground" and "The Host" and "Data's Day"
But I think she had a lot of wasted potential. There seemed to be a lot of promise to her in Season 1 (particularly with the idea that Wesley might have actually been Picard's son and the faint hints that there might be tension between the three because of jack's death) which had kinda disappeared when she got back in season 3.

I had forgotten about “Data’s Day”. :techman:
 
I like how Beverly was used in the earlier seasons as someone who would argue against Picard's interpretation of the Prime Directive. In Symbiosis and Who Watches The Watchers. She was a pretty important part of the crew in Skin Of Evil, where she tried to save Tasha, and Conspiracy, where she discovered the parasite in Admiral Quinn.
 
Majel Barrett is disgustingly overrated and makes one long for the acting expertise of Barbara Bosson.

I’m not sure Majel was ever “overrated”. People seem to be pretty much in agreement that she wasn’t a great actor.
 
Which is ironic, given that the Mass Effect series were supposed to be heavily influenced by Star Trek.

The darker route that Trek has embraced is probably part of the reason The Orville has popularity; there’s an audience out there that just wants a feel-good Trek-like show.

There’s also the factor that entertainment wise, the old stuff is preferred over the new stuff due to the new stuff not having the charm of the old stuff.

- The Novelization of The Motion Picture had a lot of really good future human society ideas that I wish made it into Trek, Gene's more "psychedelic" ideas present in the book would have made for a very interesting and forward thinking representation of humans hundreds of years from now, from far more open and free sexuality to the expansion of human consciousness and the rise of transhumanism and Anarcho-Communism with the New Human movement.

I kind of think this is the future of Trek and how they get back to exploring. It does kind of feel like Star Trek needs its own Infinity War to reset everything though.

Crisis on Infinite Enterprises anyone?
 
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I'm suspicious of anyone who either loves Star Trek unconditionally or hates new Star Trek (or old Star Trek) unconditionally. "It's all 10s!" No it's not. "It all sucks now!" No it doesn't. But I think the people who are so determined to tear it down have built it up too much in their heads. You're willing to excuse anything one version of Star Trek does but nothing another Star Trek does? That's where I have to call bullshit. There's where I have to call naked bias.

I think if they make a Pike Series, we'll have that "normal" Star Trek show people want. If the Short Treks from last fall are any indication, I'm looking forward to it. But I'm also looking forward to the Section 31 Series. An unpopular opinion for sure. Even though I won't put a crazy amount of time into defending it until I've actually seen it. It's hard to know for sure unless you do. And I'd already decided a few months ago that the guaranteed headache in the meantime isn't worth it.

I wasn't expecting to be a fan of Picard. But here we are. The reverse might also happen. It's bound to. It's just a question of when. I could be looking forward to a series, then I see it, and then I end up deeply disappointed by it. I wasn't looking forward to ENT to begin with, so my not liking it doesn't count as an example of this. I wasn't against the concept of a Pre-Federation series in and of itself, just who was doing it. I think they really needed Ron Moore and they just let him slip through their fingers. But we got Battlestar Galactica, so it was meant to be.
 
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There's nothing suspicious with unconditional love. My mother loves me unconditionally. I am not suspicious of her.
Interpersonal relationships are not the same as media.

I would imagine you and your mom would be able to discuss mistakes without fear of loss of love. Fandom isn't the same.
 
I enjoy much modern Trek, but as its own thing unconnected to that which came first.
If everything after 1982 was jettisoned into the sun, I wouldn't mind.

Kor
 
I wonder how things would have evolved if instead of being a continuation of TOS, TNG was just another Sci. Fi. series with similar attributes. I guess we'll never know.
 
I wonder how things would have evolved if instead of being a continuation of TOS, TNG was just another Sci. Fi. series with similar attributes. I guess we'll never know.
TNG would've been canceled inside of two years, I'd wager. It wouldn't have gotten as many curious viewers checking out the show, and it wouldn't have been given so long to find its way.
 
If everything after 1982 was jettisoned into the sun, I wouldn't mind.

I've said it before, I would trade everything after TAS for 13 episodes of Star Trek II.

TNG would've been canceled inside of two years, I'd wager. It wouldn't have gotten as many curious viewers checking out the show, and it wouldn't have been given so long to find its way.

I'm not sure it would've survived 13 weeks. But then, I bet the money was against Star Trek ever coming back after its cancellation in 1969.
 
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