Nitpicky Things that just get on your nerves

[F. King Daniel]

Technobabble. Modern Trek is improving in this regard, but they still have moments of cringe-inducing nonsense babytalk.

Speeches. TNG-era Picard and Michael Burnham are the worst for launching into long winded and completely unnecessary lectures.

Human interaction. TNG was terrible for the cast standing in a half-circle facing the camera, arms and back straight, taking turns to recite their lines instead of talking to each other in a natural and realistic manner.

Preplanning. ENT's Temporal Cold War could have been amazing if they put thought into it. Instead they made it up as they went along and it makes zero sense. Discovery's Red Angel storyline doesn't hold up under scrutiny, so the modern Trek lot have lots to learn too.

Money. Figure out how your future economy works, please. There's explicitly no money in some episodes, explicitly money in others. TNG and DS9 made it crystal clear there's no money, but

Spoiler: Star Trek Picard

Picard is a rich man at the top of a wine making operation paying for a mercenary ship and one of his ex-crew is living in a shitty space-age trailer in Vasquez Rocks.

I know its not healthy to nitpick Trek stuff too much but there are things I just cant help but nitpick my pet peeve for the series is when someone refers to a Klingon Battle cruiser or a BOP as a "Klingon Warbird" witch of course a war bird is a Romulan ship and i just cant help but groan when they keep bringing that up in relation to Klingons witch they do a lot in the Kelvin movies witch just makes me wince

That error (if it is an error, "bird of prey"/"warbird" sounds interchangable to me) was originally made in ENT: "Broken Bow"

 

[Phoenix219]

See thats thr problem of using identifiable franchise symbols that everyone knows even if it doesn't make sense for something to be there at that time of enterprise, its like fallout 3 and the super mutants

I think the NX01 (named Enterprise) shouldn't have existed in that show, either.

I think everything is a clusterfuck of chaos due to First Contact screwing up the timeline (well beyond what Picard and company thought during the movie) and the Temporal Cold War is all about nudging things back into line so that by the 24th century things are more or less normal. This explains the new 23rd century and any discontinuity with TOS-era fan assumptions and background relating to the early days of the Federation.

 

[JLBTucker]

Technobabble. Modern Trek is improving in this regard, but they still have moments of cringe-inducing nonsense babytalk.

Speeches. TNG-era Picard and Michael Burnham are the worst for launching into long winded and completely unnecessary lectures.

Human interaction. TNG was terrible for the cast standing in a half-circle facing the camera, arms and back straight, taking turns to recite their lines instead of talking to each other in a natural and realistic manner.

Preplanning. ENT's Temporal Cold War could have been amazing if they put thought into it. Instead they made it up as they went along and it makes zero sense. Discovery's Red Angel storyline doesn't hold up under scrutiny, so the modern Trek lot have lots to learn too.

Money. Figure out how your future economy works, please. There's explicitly no money in some episodes, explicitly money in others. TNG and DS9 made it crystal clear there's no money, but

Spoiler: Star Trek Picard

Picard is a rich man at the top of a wine making operation paying for a mercenary ship and one of his ex-crew is living in a shitty space-age trailer in Vasquez Rocks.

That error (if it is an error, "bird of prey"/"warbird" sounds interchangable to me) was originally made in ENT: "Broken Bow"

Yeah TOS is also inconstant about the money thing

 

[Forbin]

Y'all know that, in nature, 'raptors' (eagles, falcons and hawks) are also referred to as 'birds of prey.' It's two terms for the same type of bird.

 

[BillJ]

Yeah TOS is also inconstant about the money thing

Actually, it isn’t. It never made claims about there being no money.

 

[The Wormhole]

Calling Klingon ships warbirds itself never bothered me. What did perplex me was when they used the term Klingon Warbirds in Broken Bow everyone lost their shit over it, going off about it showing no regard for continuity and canon, calling it proof of Berman and Braga's Crimes Against Roddenberry, and docking the episode upwards of three points in reviews just because of that. Then Trek XI comes along and uses the term "Klingon Warbird" and everyone's cool with it.

The security on Kirk's Enterprise. I'm starting to think I could steal the damned thing from him.

To be fair, isn't that true of Starfleet Security in general? The Enterprise D had the captain abducted off the bridge twice in one year, and the ship was once taken over by Ferengi of all people. In DS9, Starfleet didn't like having an unfriendly shapeshifter from another military service in charge of station security, so they sent an officer of their own to co-run station security, who turned out to be a spy for a terrorist organization. In Voyager an argument can be made that Tuvok was doing the best with what he was allowed, since in one episode where Janeway opened the ship up to alien visitors while docked at an alien space station, he presented a multi-page report about numerous shipboard security violations, like things being stolen from crew quarters, people being spotted in unauthorized areas of the ship, which she shrugged off as "inconsequential."

Spoiler: Picard Spoilers

And then there's Picard, where the head of Starfleet Security herself is in collusion with Romulans (possibly a Romulan herself) and has or at least had one known Romulan agent working on her staff.

But of course, "Starfleet isn't a military" so why should their security be up to snuff?

 

[JLBTucker]

Actually, it isn’t. It never made claims about there being no money.

As in inconstant with TNG not itself, "Gene's Vision" is always very inconstant

 

[JLBTucker]

Y'all know that, in nature, 'raptors' (eagles, falcons and hawks) are also referred to as 'birds of prey.' It's two terms for the same type of bird.

a raptor is a different class all together of ship

 

[BillJ]

As in inconstant with TNG not itself, "Gene's Vision" is always very inconstant

Gene's Vision was always about making money and the casting couch. He was incredibly consistent all the way through.

 

[JLBTucker]

Gene's Vision was always about making money and the casting couch. He was incredibly consistent all the way through.

Witch is why a lot of TNG's preaching makes me roll my eyes when I know Gene cheated the original TOS composer out of some of his royalties

 

[BillJ]

Witch is why a lot of TNG's preaching makes me roll my eyes when I know Gene cheated the original TOS composer out of some of his royalties

Gene was a unique guy. I think he truly believed that humanity would get better, though he didn't know how to translate that optimism into his personal life. So he ends up as someone who ruined his own legacy.

 

[JLBTucker]

Gene was a unique guy. I think he truly believed that humanity would get better, though he didn't know how to translate that optimism into his personal life. So he ends up as someone who ruined his own legacy.

I have a problem with the whole Utopia concept in Trek in general becuse Utopia is a boring concept to me

 

[BillJ]

I have a problem with the whole Utopia concept in Trek in general becuse Utopia is a boring concept to me

We all have things that click for us or don't. But TNG did very good ratings for the entirety of its run. So there was something there, that people did like and wanted to see weekly. If nothing else, "Gene's Vision" gave us two unique TV shows.

 

[Schlegelmilch]

Actually, it isn’t. It never made claims about there being no money.

I think the first reference to a moneyless society was in Star Trek 4. Early Star Trek mentioned money all the time.

 

[BillJ]

I think the first reference to a moneyless society was in Star Trek 4. Early Star Trek mentioned money all the time.

I think by "no money" they meant no cash. Which was still a very futuristic concept at the time, as most business was still done with it at the time.

 

[JLBTucker]

We all have things that click for us or don't. But TNG did very good ratings for the entirety of its run. So there was something there, that people did like and wanted to see weekly. If nothing else, "Gene's Vision" gave us two unique TV shows.

My Favorite Trek Things are one witch turn Utopia on its head

 

[BillJ]

My Favorite Trek Things are one witch turn Utopia on its head

Part of the reason that stuff has the impact it does, is because the Trek universe tends to strive for optimism/doing the right thing. If Utopia was on its head every week, I would quickly lose interests in the franchise. If people are just assholes all the time, it becomes Ron Moore's Battlestar Galactica, which I grew tired of.

Something like "In the Pale Moonlight" has the impact it does, because it isn't what these people normally are. "Airlock Archer" works because we are seeing someone who is generally a good person pushed to their breaking point because of the events around them.

YMMV.

 

[The Wormhole]

The positive future of Star Trek works best when it's just showing us a better world to live in, not a perfect one.

 

[JLBTucker]

The positive future of Star Trek works best when it's just showing us a better world to live in, not a perfect one.

witch is fine save for the first two seasons of TNG when everyone acts like a jerk

 

[BillJ]

witch is fine save for the first two seasons of TNG when everyone acts like a jerk

Those are my two favorite seasons out of all the spinoffs.