Nitpicky Things that just get on your nerves

[JLBTucker]

I know its not healthy to nitpick Trek stuff too much but there are things I just cant help but nitpick my pet peeve for the series is when someone refers to a Klingon Battle cruiser or a BOP as a "Klingon Warbird" witch of course a war bird is a Romulan ship and i just cant help but groan when they keep bringing that up in relation to Klingons witch they do a lot in the Kelvin movies witch just makes me wince

 

[Nerys Myk]

I know its not healthy to nitpick Trek stuff too much but there are things I just cant help but nitpick my pet peeve for the series is when someone refers to a Klingon Battle cruiser or a BOP as a "Klingon Warbird" witch of course a war bird is a Romulan ship and i just cant help but groan when they keep bringing that up in relation to Klingons witch they do a lot in the Kelvin movies witch just makes me wince

That bird flew out the wind with STIII's appropriation of the term "Bird of Prey" for a Klingon ship* We have to accept that Klingons and Romulans use both terms. Or at least the Federation does when IDing those ships.

* The ship was Romulan originally.

 

[BillJ]

The security on Kirk's Enterprise. I'm starting to think I could steal the damned thing from him.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The security on Kirk's Enterprise. I'm starting to think I could steal the damned thing from him.

Only if you're a kid, a hippy, an android, the First Officer...yeah I think you could.

 

[JLBTucker]

That bird flew out the wind with STIII's appropriation of the term "Bird of Prey" for a Klingon ship* We have to accept that Klingons and Romulans use both terms. Or at least the Federation does when IDing those ships.

* The ship was Romulan originally.

I still dont like when enterprise used birds of prey in the show

 

[Nerys Myk]

I still dont like when enterprise used birds of prey in the show

The ship or the name?

 

[JLBTucker]

The ship or the name?

In Enterprise the show they use Klingon BOPs witch shoots the Romulan theory in the foot

 

[BillJ]

In Enterprise the show they use Klingon BOPs witch shoots the Romulan theory in the foot

What Romulan theory? There was no theory. In The Search for Spock, the villains were supposed to be Romulans, the villains changed during the run up filming, the ship didn't. So now Klingons use the Bird-of-Prey moniker.

 

[JLBTucker]

What Romulan theory? There was no theory. In The Search for Spock, the villains were supposed to be Romulans, the villains changed during the run up filming, the ship didn't. So now Klingons use the Bird-of-Prey moniker.

Im talking in universe not IRL

 

[BillJ]

Im talking in universe not IRL

There is nothing in universe either. Kirk identifies it as a Klingon ship in The Voyage Home, we get another Bird-of-Prey manned by Klingons in both The Final Frontier and The Undiscovered Country. There was fan speculation that Kruge and his crew stole the ship from Romulans early on, but later Trek put that to rest.

In universe, it has always been a Klingon ship.

 

[Nerys Myk]

What Romulan theory? There was no theory. In The Search for Spock, the villains were supposed to be Romulans, the villains changed during the run up filming, the ship didn't. So now Klingons use the Bird-of-Prey moniker.

jopbe' lo' maH DaH. jopbe' cool

Im talking in universe not IRL

In universe they both use Birds of Prey as the name of their ships.

 

[JLBTucker]

There is nothing in universe either. Kirk identifies it as a Klingon ship in The Voyage Home, we get another Bird-of-Prey manned by Klingons in both The Final Frontier and The Undiscovered Country. There was fan speculation that Kruge and his crew stole the ship from Romulans early on, but later Trek put that to rest.

In universe, it has always been a Klingon ship.

See thats thr problem of using identifiable franchise symbols that everyone knows even if it doesn't make sense for something to be there at that time of enterprise, its like fallout 3 and the super mutants

 

[fireproof78]

In universe, it has always been a Klingon ship.

Yup. There has never been anything in my reading of various ancillary materials that indicate it was ever a Romulan ship, in universe. Always been treated as a Klingon ship, and one of the more iconic ones, which annoys me to no end.

 

[BillJ]

See thats thr problem of using identifiable franchise symbols that everyone knows even if it doesn't make sense for something to be there at that time of enterprise...

A franchise is going to use the elements that fans are used to, whether they make sense or not.

 

[JLBTucker]

jopbe' lo' maH DaH. jopbe' cool
In universe they both use Birds of Prey as the name of their ships.

Not the moniker the actual ship being used in Enterprise when it probably shouldn't be there yet

 

[JLBTucker]

A franchise is going to use the elements that fans are used to, whether they make sense or not.

I also just dont think the BOP is a good ship

 

[Nerys Myk]

Imagine the course of Trek history if the ship in STIII had remained Romulan. Would the Klingons be regulated to secondary villain like the Romulans? Would Picard be about the aftermath of the Klingon Supernova?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Not the moniker the actual ship being used in Enterprise when it probably shouldn't be there yet

Why? If it looks like a BOP and quacks like a BOP. It's a BOP.

 

[BillJ]

Why? If looks like a BOP and quacks like a BOP. It's a BOP,

When did they use a Klingon Bird-of-Prey in Enterprise? I remember there being a Klingon Raptor ship, and they used the D-7 in "Unexpected". But I don't remember the Bird-of-Prey.

 

[JLBTucker]

Why? If looks like a BOP and quacks like a BOP. It's a BOP,

You see this is were i'm grateful STO just called "Romulan BOPs" Just light waterbirds instead and let the Klingon ones be the BOP