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News "7 reasons why Picard is basically Star Wars, minus Luke Skywalker"

Qonundrum

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https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/star-trek-picard-spoilers-star-wars-luke-skywalker-new-hope

Opening paragraph:
Preferring Star Trek over Star Wars isn't too hard. There are so many more live-action hours of Star Trek, it has a higher batting average simply by virtue of its abundance. Having said that, the peaks of Star Wars – like A New Hope or The Empire Strikes Back — are tough for Trek to touch. While I'd rather watch a random episode of DS9 over Attack of the Clones most days of the week, it's tough to argue First Contact is a more classic piece of sci-fi art than the original 1977 Star Wars.

Actually, it's not just numeric count that defines how good something is, but the article gets good once it gets past the freshly-yanked-out-of-(yes, there) flotsam.

And, no, I wouldn't put STFC above SW77/ANH either, which is actually quite sad...

1. Space badass in retirement gets a secret message from a robot
In Star Wars, Obi-Wan Kenobi was pulled back into the heroism game by a robot with a secret message. Ditto for Picard. Jean-Luc is a retired Starfleet Admiral who meets Dahj, a secret robot, and something in her programming told her that Jean-Luc is her only hope.

Very true.

Article has much more.
 
This is a complete aside, but I'd actually love a retelliing of A New Hope from the POV of Obi Wan.

I'll admit in being intrigued. Reminds me of the old All in the Family episode 'Everyone Tells the Truth" where the same situation is told by each person in the family, based in part on their own experiences, beliefs, and/or biases...

Also note that I'd love to read expanded shake-ups of old stories - like "Goldilocks" but from the perspective of the three bears... now that would be grizzly! :devil:
 
The comparisons are fine. The title is bad and misleading. For instance, there is no indication that "democracy has died." Instead, the ethics of the Federation have been shown wanting and there exists within it some corruption, whereas in Star Wars, one of our purported heroes bemoans the need for bureaucracy. Picard is ultimately still a race to win back the values that made the Federation.
 
Simpsons, Trilogy of Error

I'll admit in being intrigued. Reminds me of the old All in the Family episode 'Everyone Tells the Truth" where the same situation is told by each person in the family, based in part on their own experiences, beliefs, and/or biases...

Both are based on the 1950 Japanese film "Rashomon", which told the story of a murder from the POV of the killers, the police, and the ghost of the victim! :eek:
 
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The comparisons are fine. The title is bad and misleading. For instance, there is no indication that "democracy has died." Instead, the ethics of the Federation have been shown wanting and there exists within it some corruption, whereas in Star Wars, one of our purported heroes bemoans the need for bureaucracy. Picard is ultimately still a race to win back the values that made the Federation.

Reading The Last Best Hope (I'm about a quarter way into the book), you get a feeling that Picard and the Federation are on a fools' errand to begin with.
 
Reminds me of the old All in the Family episode 'Everyone Tells the Truth" where the same situation is told by each person in the family, based in part on their own experiences, beliefs, and/or biases...
Edith: Well, I guess Archie knows what a light saber is, but I have it right here; Ben must have dropped it on his way out (pulls tiny flashlight from her purse). But Archie, when I was little, we didn't call these laser swords or light sabers; we used to call this a pen light.
 
https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/star-trek-picard-spoilers-star-wars-luke-skywalker-new-hope

Opening paragraph:


Actually, it's not just numeric count that defines how good something is, but the article gets good once it gets past the freshly-yanked-out-of-(yes, there) flotsam.

And, no, I wouldn't put STFC above SW77/ANH either, which is actually quite sad...



Very true.

Article has much more.

Actually, they've just added the Luke Skywalker analog to the cast. As well, STFC is what, the 8th Star Trek film? How do you think it rates vs. Star Wars 8th film? Besides, we've already got a comparison to ANH in Star Trek. It's called Wrath of Khan, and I'd rate it pretty close to ANH. I certainly has at least as many quotable lines.
 
Reading The Last Best Hope (I'm about a quarter way into the book), you get a feeling that Picard and the Federation are on a fools' errand to begin with.
If the Romulans themselves were unable to do it then I dont think it was just a matter of throwing ships at it.

Its also about finding worlds with the space and climate suitable for them, then you have to find food, water and shelter as well, replicators will help but the sheer numbers involved would have some serious power requirements.

Plus unless a planet has enough infrastructure you wont be able to relocate large numbers to any single place all at once, not to mention the risk of separating families and the distance between suitable planets, all the while the timer is ticking down.

The Romulans would then end up being scattered all over the alpha and beta quadrants and would need protection in the more outlying areas, the smart ones like would be grateful but a lot of others would end up trying to bite the hand that saved them.

The best thing to do would be to settle them on Federation worlds but that is not going to go down well with the native inhabitants and some would probably be downright hostile like the Andorians for instance.

Over the years the Romulans have not made many friends, its no surprise that many would be hostile to saving them or automatically conclude its impossible so why bother, the attack and loss of so many lives, ships and the yards themselves must have made the decision to walk away an easy one.

Then there are the security aspects as you wont know if they are truly refugees or actually Tal Shiar agents up to no good.
 
If the Romulans themselves were unable to do it then I dont think it was just a matter of throwing ships at it.

Its also about finding worlds with the space and climate suitable for them, then you have to find food, water and shelter as well, replicators will help but the sheer numbers involved would have some serious power requirements.

Plus unless a planet has enough infrastructure you wont be able to relocate large numbers to any single place all at once, not to mention the risk of separating families and the distance between suitable planets, all the while the timer is ticking down.

The Romulans would then end up being scattered all over the alpha and beta quadrants and would need protection in the more outlying areas, the smart ones like would be grateful but a lot of others would end up trying to bite the hand that saved them.

The best thing to do would be to settle them on Federation worlds but that is not going to go down well with the native inhabitants and some would probably be downright hostile like the Andorians for instance.

Over the years the Romulans have not made many friends, its no surprise that many would be hostile to saving them or automatically conclude its impossible so why bother, the attack and loss of so many lives, ships and the yards themselves must have made the decision to walk away an easy one.

Then there are the security aspects as you wont know if they are truly refugees or actually Tal Shiar agents up to no good.

I think part of the problem with the overall story is that they made the problem "too big".
 
This is a complete aside, but I'd actually love a retelliing of A New Hope from the POV of Obi Wan.
People have pointed out due to the retconning of Vader into being Luke's father and the other changes the prequel incorporated, it's hard to make sense of Kenobi's reasoning. What, exactly, was he waiting for? In ANH as written, Luke was just the son of a deceased friend. After the retcons, he was one of the last hopes for the galaxy (descended from a literal Chosen One) and Kenobi hardly ever sees him or does anything...?

Luke: "Hi old Ben! Uncle Owen finally let me go to the Imperial Academy! I'm going to be undergoing TIE Fighter pilot training under Lord Vader himself!"

Kenobi: ...
 
I think part of the problem with the overall story is that they made the problem "too big".
I would say the problem is that the exact requirements are not clearly established, such as exact number that need moving, precise details about available ships, what actions the Romulans had already taken to move the population etc etc.

Or was it a case of every Romulan for themselves with some escaping easily leaving others to die.

In the context of the show its not really required though, the exact details dont really matter all we need to know is that the Romulans knew they could not (or would not) do it themselves and finally looked to the Federation for help.

I can definitely understand why some would not want that help to succeed as its a move out of the Romulans own playbook, saving the Romulans could have been a big step to reunification or a true alliance between the Federation and the Romulan Star Empire.

Ultimately its the Romulans themselves who would stand to gain or lose the most from such a move depending on their goals and motivations.

It still doesn't explain the timing though, if the Zhat Vash were only interested in destroying the synths they could have attacked Mars after the rescue had been completed or was underway, some other external event must have triggered it just at the wrong moment, perhaps it has something to do with that Romulan ship that was attacked by the Borg as that happened at roughly the same time.

I am not convinced it was the Zhat Vash that reprogrammed the synths, we know they hate all forms of artificial life and would just destroy them rather than make them go mad, it is a smart move using the synths to do it though as it would not be traceable back to themselves.

The best way to identify the true culprits is to consider the overall motive behind the attack, was it a warning on the dangers of over reliance on synths, if so that would fit the Zhat Vash but the timing is just all kinds of wrong.

Was the attack triggered by elements of the Romulan military who were resentful of others asking for the Federations help, I cant see it myself as it would require a lot of time, planning and resources to compromise so many synths to ensure a successful attack with no survivors on either side.

Could the motive simply be down to having the means and opportunity to weaken Starfleet due to having so many ships and resources in one place, with the added bonus of knocking out Utopia Planetia as well.

Perhaps it was orchestrated by elements with the Federation/Starfleet who really didnt want to help the Romulans, we saw something similar in the Undiscovered Country with Valeris conspiring with General Chang.

We cant really answer those questions until we can ascertain whether the Supernova and the attack on Mars were connected and triggered by the same organisation/group, if so the attack on mars was simply a means to ensure that the Federation did not intervene on the Romulans behalf in which case it could not be the Zhat Vash as they dont have the means to destabilise a Star in that way, if the two events are not connected then the Zhat Vash could be the culprit of the attack on Mars but again why would they scupper their own salvation.

I think we will only truly understand events when we find out exactly what happened in the distant past, it must have involved the Vulcans as well as the show seems to indicate it was before the Romulans left.
 
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