Spoilers Starship Design in Star Trek: Picard

[F. King Daniel]

Just read a few bits on the countdown comic.

The ship USS Verity that Picard is commanding in 2385 is called an Odyssey class and its the spitting image of the one in STO.

In which case the Enterprise F is a possibility after all, if its an official comic and lead in to Picard that makes it canon doesnt it?

Or has this been done to death and I am just very late to the comic?

In 2009 there was a comic published called Countdown, which led to the 2009 Star Trek reboot movie. The story was co-written by movie co-writer/co-producer Alex Kurtzman. For a decade, fans debated it's canonicity.

In 2019, there was a comic called Countdown that led to the new Picard series (co-created by now-overlord of the Star Trek Universe, Alex Kurtzman). It completely invalidated the above and wove an incompatible story around the Romulan supernova.

All this has happened before and all of it will happen again.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Until it’s not. Happened with the 2009 Countdown comic.

Star Wars EU novels were canon, until they weren't. I don't see that big a conflict with 3 Picard comics though, unlikely they'll revisit that period with more than an occasional flashback.

 

[Gonzo]

In 2009 there was a comic published called Countdown, which led to the 2009 Star Trek reboot movie. The story was co-written by movie co-writer/co-producer Alex Kurtzman. For a decade, fans debated it's canonicity.

In 2019, there was a comic called Countdown that led to the new Picard series (co-created by now-overlord of the Star Trek Universe, Alex Kurtzman). It completely invalidated the above and wove an incompatible story around the Romulan supernova.

All this has happened before and all of it will happen again.

If just feels like it may be a setup for whats to come.

Otherwise why on earth would they have an Odyssey class when they could just use a Sovereign or any number of other classes that we know are in service at the same time, why specifically use a class that ends up being used for the F in STO and more importantly why use it 24 years before the class is even supposed to be launched in STO.

It smells a bit fishy to me but could be nothing.

It would certainly be a big surprise if they did and I am all for it, it would practically scream spinoff as well, just think of the possibilities for CBS if they have both an original Enterprise 1701 show with Pike and a Enterprise 1701-F show with someone else we know.

Licence to print money for CBS if they did, which sort of begs the question why they didnt do that in the first place.

 

[Tosk]

Well, not so fast. I think we're going to see that Countdown: Picard is quite canon.

The fact that the comic was written with knowledge of what happens in PIC and was written accordingly does zero to make it canon.

 

[DaveyNY]

The fact that the comic was written with knowledge of what happens in PIC and was written accordingly does zero to make it canon.

Well, we first see Raffi, the new Uniforms, Laris and Zhaban in the comics, so it makes all that a part of canon.

 

[Tosk]

I'm not really sure what point you're making.

 

[Timo]

Indeed, perhaps Raffi never had any of the adventures depicted in the comics, and episode 4 already makes this painfully clear?

The 2009 movie tie-in comics were outdated before the movie came out, being incompatible with the late rewrites on how the star blew and what Spock and Nero did there.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[DaveyNY]

I'm not really sure what point you're making.

We have already seen pictures for episode 3 that shows a flashback to the time period depicted in the comics, that in and of itself seems to indicate that the tale told in the three issues is part of the official canon of PICARD.

 

[Timo]

Many a random novel depicts onscreen heroes in offscreen adventures, at various eras these characters would necessarily have experienced in their lives. Doesn't make the novels particularly canonical, or the adventures relevant to onscreen stuff.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[DaveyNY]

Many a random novel depicts onscreen heroes in offscreen adventures, at various eras these characters would necessarily have experienced in their lives. Doesn't make the novels particularly canonical, or the adventures relevant to onscreen stuff.

Timo Saloniemi

Very true, but again, pictures released in the last week seem to indicate that what happened in the three comics is very relevant to the "onscreen stuff".

It just seems at this point, that the incidents depicted in the comics are apparently an integral part of the overall story.
Which would also seem to indicate that they are more inline with canon than not.
It may be that for the first time, these particular comics ARE considered an Official part of Canon.

 

[Tosk]

We have already seen pictures for episode 3 that shows a flashback to the time period depicted in the comics, that in and of itself seems to indicate that the tale told in the three issues is part of the official canon of PICARD.

If the show specifies that everything in the comic happened, then it's canon. Until then, the comic is a prequel story based on a TV show.

which would seem to indicate that they are more inline with canon that not.

Yes. Inline with canon. Consistent. Not contradictory. Still doesn't make it canon.

 

[Paul Weaver]

It may be that for the first time, these particular comics ARE considered an Official part of Canon.

No it doesn't.

Canon is what's on screen. Comics and books may not conflict with that, they may do. Over the years there have been great attempts made by authors to weave what we've seen on screen which contradicts with what we've seen on screen, that doesn't make them canon, despite not only fitting in with what we see, but actually making what we see more sensible.

 

[Gonzo]

Very true, but again, pictures released in the last week seem to indicate that what happened in the three comics is very relevant to the "onscreen stuff".

It just seems at this point, that the incidents depicted in the comics are apparently an integral part of the overall story which would seem to indicate that they are more inline with canon that not.
It may be that for the first time, these particular comics ARE considered an Official part of Canon.

Perhaps, we will know more as we see more episodes.

We see Raffi this week so we may also see the flashback as well, we may even see the ship they use at the time.

I can appreciate that some elements of the story may have changed but why on earth would they use what is clearly the Odyssey class in the comic, I couldnt believe it at first when I came upon some pages of the comic online.

I have always rolled with whatever in regards to Star Trek but that was a bit of a WTF moment.

 

[Paul Weaver]

the Odyssey class

There is no such thing in the canon

The only Odyssey we've seen is a Galaxy Class, it was destroyed by the Jem Hadar



Outside of canon, in licensed works, there are different ships -- the Luna Class Titan for example, or the Vesta Class Aventine. These are irrelevant to the TV series.

 

[F. King Daniel]

The first Disco novels were contradicted hard by season two, and the writers of those helped shape the opening episodes of Discovery! (IIRC, David Mack gave a few first names and wrote some backstory to the Shenzhou crew, some of which was written into the episodes)

Canon does not indicate quality. In still reading books and fanfiction that has been "disproven" by episodes and movies that came out since. I still enjoy them, and love it when references creep into canon, like Uhura and Sulu's first names and Section 31's Control.

 

[DaveyNY]

If the show specifies that everything in the comic happened, then it's canon. Until then, the comic is a prequel story based on a TV show.

Yes. Inline with canon. Consistent. Not contradictory. Still doesn't make it canon.

We're apparently going to get at least one flashback to the time period depicted in the comics between Picard and Raffi.
Doesn't seem like that much of a stretch to me that this indicates that the story told therein is just as much a part of canon as not, but happens somewhat off-screen.

Anything else is just an extreme and unnecessary nit-pick.

 

[Gonzo]

The first Disco novels were contradicted hard by season two, and the writers of those helped shape the opening episodes of Discovery! (IIRC, David Mack gave a few first names and wrote some backstory to the Shenzhou crew, some of which was written into the episodes)

Canon does not indicate quality. In still reading books and fanfiction that has been "disproven" by episodes and movies that came out since. I still enjoy them, and love it when references creep into canon, like Uhura and Sulu's first names and Section 31's Control.

True but we all know that Disco's development was all over the place so you cant really use it as an example.

They may indeed go in a completely different direction or possibly even show us the Enterprise E, I just find the use of the Odyssey class in the comic to be a bit far out there when they knew it was a lead in to the series and had a huge number of established canon ship classes they could have used.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I would guesstimate that Fed ship designs for the new show were either top-secret or very early when the comic was commissioned, so IDW went to Star Trek Online, an official (albeit different and non-canon) source for ship designs post-Nemesis. But I guess future episodes will show us.

 

[Gonzo]

I would guesstimate that Fed ship designs for the new show were either top-secret or very early when the comic was commissioned, so IDW went to Star Trek Online, an official (albeit different and non-canon) source for ship designs post-Nemesis. But I guess future episodes will show us.

Yeah, it really really looks like an Odyssey class though, its not like its roughly close or a kitbash or anything.

I like the Odyssey class I just was not expecting to see it anywhere near anything set in 2385, canon or not.

 

[BillJ]

Well, not so fast. I think we're going to see that Countdown: Picard is quite canon.

Raffi Musiker is Picard's Verity XO in Countdown. In all the material that CBS has released, she is mentioned as an intelligence expert. So we don't know if that is still sticking, or if there was a change somewhere along the way?

It may be that for the first time, these particular comics ARE considered an Official part of Canon.

What does it matter? The story is either good or it isn't. If I never heard the word 'canon' again, it would be too soon.