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Stuggling to keep up with developments?

Do we know for sure that Hawley’s movie will not take place in the Kelvin timeline?
We have Hawley's comments that he doesn't consider it Star Trek 4, but that could mean anything.

My completely unsubstantiated feeling is that he's writing a generic Kirk/Spock/Enterprise movie that could fit into TOS, Kelvin or be it's own thing depending how negotiations go.
 
Welcome to how this TOS fan felt in 1987... ;)
I remember The Official Fan Club magazine in early 90s would do a little newspaper type cartoon on the letters page each month (or bimonthly whenever the mag was out) one month was a guy dressed TNG in his bedroom covered in Trek memorabilia posters everywhere, model kits hanging from ceiling, action figures, multiple VHS boxes etc saying to his friend 'TOS, movies, TNG ..its not easy keeping up being a fan'

Now its getting like that again! (only now its DISCO/PIC/S31/SFA?/PIKE?QT Trek?/noah ST4? and eaglemoss ships, diamond select props/figures, bluray sets)
 
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We have Hawley's comments that he doesn't consider it Star Trek 4, but that could mean anything.

My completely unsubstantiated feeling is that he's writing a generic Kirk/Spock/Enterprise movie that could fit into TOS, Kelvin or be it's own thing depending how negotiations go.

He talked about new characters. I'm sure Spock and Kirk are anything but new!
 
Might not matter anymore…

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Thought the more I read this, the more fishy it reads. But I’m not sure why someone would make this up (unless to troll “old school Trek fans”).
 
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They will. So it's a case of enjoy the next 2 years as much as possible before it all comes crashing down.

90's fan: Remember when there were 2 Trek series at the same time?

20's fan: Take your meds grandpa, we had 5.

5x10 episodes is pretty much the same number we had when DS9 was on. We had 3 films in that time period too.
 
2005: Star Trek 'died' when Enterpise ended

2009: JJ Abrams 'revives' the franchsie on the big screen

2017: Star Trek returns to TV with Discovery

And the big wheel keeps on turning, but is anyone else a tad overwhelmed and struggling to keep up (not that I don't appreciate it)?

(I love a list, me)

TV SERIES - IN PROGRESS

Star Trek: Discovery [Season 3 in production]
Star Trek: Picard [first season days away from debuting]
Star Trek: Lower Decks (ready this year)
Star Trek: Nickelodeon (Prodigy? Also far along the line)

TV SERIES - IN DEVELOPMENT
Section 31 (next in line)
Starfleet Academy (showrunners in place)
Khan miniseries (could have been by Nicholas Meyer, unknown status)
Pike Enterprise (overwhelmingly asked for on social media, CBS are aware)

MOVIES

Very much development hell. We potentially have:
Noah Hawley - writing and potentially directing a new idea
Tarantino Trek - QT doesn't want to direct but it doesn't mean Paramont could get it made by someone else
Another idea - SJ Clarkson's film kind of dematerialised.
Something else??

...Hol' up.

Star Trek: Nickelodeon (Prodigy? Also far along the line)

The hell?

"...officially been given the greenlight by CBS Television Studios and Nickelodeon, Variety has learned. The new CG-animated series will follow a group of lawless teens who discover a derelict Starfleet ship and use it to search for adventure, meaning and salvation.Apr 24, 2019"

Huh. Doesn't sound...that bad?
 
It’s only a “struggle” if you’re cranking up the hype in advance, regardless of final quality, but otherwise it’s quite simple: a) PIC just ended its OK first season on Prime Video b) DSC should continue later this year with an OK third season. That’s pretty much all we need to know (internationally) about Star Trek in 2020. Oh, and The Last Best Hope was good.
 
...Hol' up.



The hell?

"...officially been given the greenlight by CBS Television Studios and Nickelodeon, Variety has learned. The new CG-animated series will follow a group of lawless teens who discover a derelict Starfleet ship and use it to search for adventure, meaning and salvation.Apr 24, 2019"

Huh. Doesn't sound...that bad?
Supposedly this one's gonna have a HUGE multimedia/merchandising push, at least according to one guy in the Trek Lit forum who's "in the know".

Fingers crossed it brings the younglings into Trek.
 
It wasn't oversaturation that "killed" Trek no matter what Paramount tries to say about that era. It was keeping two people in charge of the franchise (Rick Berman & Brannon Braga) to the point they got so burned out; they were recycling some of the the exact same stories from TNG to VOY and ENT. At the end berman had been in charge for 18 years and 25 TV seasons (the majority of which were 26 episodes when the majority Network TV hour long prime times series at the time were doing 22 episodes a season.

As long as they don't repeat THAT mistake (IE Keep Kurtzman and Co. way past their burnout date) - Trek should be fine.


TNG Season 2 was crap, plain and simple. TNG didn't start getting near watchable until well into Season 3.

Nonsense. The writers strike surely had a negative impact and I may be in the minority on Pulaski, but S2 has some very good episodes: Measure of a Man; Elementary Dear Data; Q Who; Time Squared, Samaritan Snare, Schizoid Man.

Perhaps not a lot of classics, but better than S1. Though S3-S6 were peak TNG.
 
It wasn't oversaturation that "killed" Trek no matter what Paramount tries to say about that era. It was keeping two people in charge of the franchise (Rick Berman & Brannon Braga) to the point they got so burned out; they were recycling some of the the exact same stories from TNG to VOY and ENT. At the end berman had been in charge for 18 years and 25 TV seasons (the majority of which were 26 episodes when the majority Network TV hour long prime times series at the time were doing 22 episodes a season. As long as they don't repeat THAT mistake (IE Keep Kurtzman and Co. way past their burnout date) - Trek should be fine. TNG Season 2 was crap, plain and simple. TNG didn't start getting near watchable until well into Season 3.

It was indeed oversaturation that "killed" Trek. Story recycling was almost immediate, several TNG episodes stole from TOS. Some of the recycled Phase II stuff had nothing to do with that production team.

https://www.tor.com/2016/09/23/in-praise-of-star-trek-the-next-generations-infamous-reset-button/

This is a very interesting article. This is m y favorite part:

Voyaging home: One reason TNG’s “anthology” approach to storytelling probably didn’t serve Voyager well is that the two series’ fictional mandates were starkly different. TNG’s mission was, famously, “to explore strange new worlds. To seek out new life and new civilizations. To boldly go where no one has gone before.” We were explicitly told that in the opening narration. Voyager didn’t have an opening narration, but if it had, it might been something like “Fleeing from the perils of the Delta Quadrant, the U.S.S. Voyager leads a ragtag crew, on a lonely quest—for a shining planet known as Earth.” While TNG was conceived as an abstract exploration of endless possibilities, Voyager had a concrete mission: to safely get back home. Serialization or heavy continuity would have been a better strategy to chronicle Voyager’s epic journey, and I believe viewers were ultimately disappointed that the show didn’t take that approach. We’re back to function and form; these series had quite different functions, and yet were molded with the same form.

Ronald D. Moore has always been fond of continuity, but quickly learned that Paramount wasn’t a fan. He first found resistance to continuity while working on TNG. He recalls, for instance, that when he conceived the episode “Family,” Gene Rodenberry “didn’t like the continuity from “Best of Both Worlds” ” But in retrospect, as I’ve been saying, it may have been to TNG’s benefit that continuity was played down.


Moore later tried to readjust Voyager’s course, but ultimately—and for complex reasons—left the show after a brief stint. Here is Braga again, with some telling comments: “Ron came aboard as a writer and—God, I have a lot of regrets—he came aboard wanting the show to do all sorts of things. He wanted the show to have continuity. When the ship got fucked up, he wanted it to stay fucked up. For characters to have lasting consequences. He was really into that. He wanted to eradicate the so-called reset button, and that’s not something the studio was interested in, because this thing was a big seller in syndication.” In this instance, I think the studio made the wrong call.

So don't blame the production team for everything wrong. I think that production team did a fantastic job bringing Star Trek back to TV. I loved their version of the Star Trek universe, and really hoped to see more. It's "mine"... It's mostly true to Roddenberry's vision, and these reboots don't seem to be. Like every remake, think practically EVERY remake of classic TV.... something is missing. They just don't get it right.
 
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