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Spoilers Everyday life on earth

They talked about the food as if it were nearly inedible.
Yes, but i had the impression that this was more about the dish they ordered. They talked about that the dish looked like shit and that the replicator maybe could also replicate flies...

Which might jokingly hint at the possibility that creating living matter could be possible with this thing.
 
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It seems there's got to be some kind of "payment" system as without one there's always the question of why you've got people who'd work BS jobs like in crappy ship-building bunkers with in the 24th century with modified 20th century 3D-printers that produce for you horrible tasting food, or why someone would be a server in Sisko's restaurant.

So the thought I generally have is that all your needs are met on some basic level, food, shelter, health-care, but if you want more, a bigger home, a starship, you've got to "work" for it and you're simply "paid" by those things being more available to you. You get "paid" in a sense but you don't strictly have to work to just live a life.
That's pretty much how I see it, but I'd go one further...I think that society expects people to work according to their abilities to earn what it's giving them. Those with more skilled and in-demand jobs get the extras, just like they earn extra money today.

I don't get why so many seem to think that civilian life in Trek is a hippie paradise where everyone can do, be, or have whatever they want when our primary window into that world has been a highly skilled, competitive, and disciplined work environment.
 
That's pretty much how I see it, but I'd go one further...I think that society expects people to work according to their abilities to earn what it's giving them. Those with more skilled and in-demand jobs get the extras, just like they earn extra money today.

I don't get why so many seem to think that civilian life in Trek is a hippie paradise where everyone can do, be, or have whatever they want when our primary window into that world has been a highly skilled, competitive, and disciplined work environment.
Because that is what has been strongly implied. That people work to improve themselves and the society, not for some compensation. If you smuggle in some sort of material compensation for 'improving oneself' then that's just a cop out.
 
Working to "improve themselves" is the party line, the larger philosophy behind the system...not to be taken too literally.
 
That's pretty much how I see it, but I'd go one further...I think that society expects people to work according to their abilities to earn what it's giving them. Those with more skilled and in-demand jobs get the extras, just like they earn extra money today.

I don't get why so many seem to think that civilian life in Trek is a hippie paradise where everyone can do, be, or have whatever they want when our primary window into that world has been a highly skilled, competitive, and disciplined work environment.

Steve Shives has a good episode on this, and follow up to it in a following episode where he answers viewer questions.

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Right. I understand that for some people it is super important to ignore anything that is inspiring or optimistic in Star Trek. But I'd rather not do that nor it certainly was the creator intent, at least during TNG.

That's where I'm at and one of the aspects and tone I don't much "like" the feel of on Picard (or that's sort of implied in these two episodes.)
 
I don't consider the society of lazy, entitled freeloaders that so many Trek fans envision to be terribly inspiring or optimistic.
But they're not lazy! That's the point! They do stuff because they want to, not because they're bribed to! And if someone doesn't and is indeed lazy, the others are not so petty and envious that they would have a huge problem with it.
 
But they're not lazy! That's the point! They do stuff because they want to, not because they're bribed to! And if someone doesn't and is indeed lazy, the others are not so petty and envious that they would have a huge problem with it.
So...no incentive not to be lazy freeloaders.
 
Given human nature to get the maximum benefit from minimum effort...

It's a fair opinion and view to take
And such attitude lacks the optimism. I do not subscribe to such analysis of the human nature. In my view it is the human nature to want to feel accomplished, useful and to help others.
 
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Besides, no money on Earth in the late 24th century doesn't mean people don't trade or use credits in a non-currency system that allows commerce of items that aren't available from commercial replicators. Picard and his vineyard may "earn" credits from customers that allows him and his employees to upgrade to newer and better commercial equipment to use on the property and expand their operation.
Agreed. But credits are suspiciously close to money. If I can break into your computer credits theoretically and steal them and buy Picards wine and if that's a crime then thats MONEY.
If all food is replicated why is Kirk delivering grain? Why agricultural planets? The term 'moneyless ' is facetious.
 
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