Unpopular Trek opinions game

[Nyotarules]

Aliens from even close-to-Earth-like environment may be uncomfortable for day-in and day-out living. For example: Vulcans. Earth ships are too cold and stink, plus you are around annoying people from another culture. Humans probably feel the same on a Tellarite or Andorian ship. It's just not a policy decision but a biological reality. You may find one or two exceptions who are willing or tasked with a foreign assignment but they may also need medical treatments and special clothes.

24th century uniforms should be able to accommodate biology and enviroment, if Vulcans can make babies with humans they can suck it up and work with them on a starship for a few years.
A human dominated starship as the Federation flagship makes as much sense as having the Enterprise NX01 representing a United Earth spacefleet dominated by white Canadians...

 

[BillJ]

A human dominated starship as the Federation flagship makes as much sense as having the Enterprise NX01 representing a United Earth spacefleet dominated by white Canadians...

Welcome to Star Trek...

 

[Paul755]

My unpopular opinion...

Discovery’s flaws are given a pass by a lot of Trek fans because we are happy just to have new “canon” Trek stories available. And that as more new Trek becomes available the like of Discovery will wane.

10 years ago the idea of re-designing the original Enterprise (with its own R2D2 type fixit bots), making Spock space-dyslexic, the spore drive, having a character or characters drop f-bombs, everything with the Klingons, etc...would have more of the fan base losing their shit than there is. Especially for a show set do close to TOS.

 

[Lord Garth]

Discovery’s flaws are given a pass by a lot of Trek fans because we are happy just to have new “canon” Trek stories available. And that as more new Trek becomes available the like of Discovery will wane.

No. If I thought it was shit, I'd say so. Or at best, I'd try to be nice and tip-toe, like I did with late-VOY, ENT, and the Abrams Films while still basically saying they weren't my thing. I think at this point, people here can tell the difference between my just trying to be nice when I don't like something and when I'm actually wholeheartedly in support of it.

Between 1999 and 2017, I had shows like Battlestar Galactica and Mad Men to keep my interest. When DSC started, I had Better Call Saul, Orange Is the New Black and the then-recently ended Halt & Catch Fire. I didn't "need" new Trek. I didn't "need" to excuse it either. I actually like Discovery. I know, right? It's "shocking".

Furthermore, I bailed out on Trek before it ended last time in 2005. Six years before it ended. I stopped watching it in 1999. They were still making it, but I didn't want to see it anymore. So just because Star Trek was back in production was no guarantee of anything. The Orville is basically updated Berman Trek, and I bailed on it after a season. Despite promising I'd give it another look, I still haven't. And it'll probably always a case where "I haven't gotten around to it yet. I'll give it another try sometime." Who are we kidding? Let's be real. I might say I will but I'm not going to. And if DSC had been the same, I'd have bailed on it after a season too.

So try again.

 

[BillJ]

10 years ago the idea of re-designing the original Enterprise (with its own R2D2 type fixit bots), making Spock space-dyslexic, the spore drive, having a character or characters drop f-bombs, everything with the Klingons, etc...would have more of the fan base losing their shit than there is. Especially for a show set do close to TOS.

I do think anyone that pitched this stuff would’ve been laughed out of the room. At either Paramount/CBS or Pocker Books.

 

[Vger23]

My unpopular opinion...

Discovery’s flaws are given a pass by a lot of Trek fans because we are happy just to have new “canon” Trek stories available. And that as more new Trek becomes available the like of Discovery will wane.

10 years ago the idea of re-designing the original Enterprise (with its own R2D2 type fixit bots), making Spock space-dyslexic, the spore drive, having a character or characters drop f-bombs, everything with the Klingons, etc...would have more of the fan base losing their shit than there is. Especially for a show set do close to TOS.

It's definitely an unpopular opinion from my point of view personally, because I like DSC and it has nothing to do with "giving it a pass" just because I'm "happy." It might be hard to believe, but I like it because I like it. I actually value the evolution and changes in the franchise (even if they are swings-and-misses) far more than I value it staying the same, regardless of when it's "set." I know that must be tough to believe that someone might think differently than you, but I assure you, it's true. Sometimes people are wired differently and like things for different reasons, and it's not always because we're just desperate sheep who would swallow bugs because we're starving.


UNPOPULAR OPINION:
I really like the opening theme to Picard. I like that it's unique and understated. It fits the show very well, at least based on where I think it's headed.

 

[fireproof78]

10 years ago the idea of re-designing the original Enterprise (with its own R2D2 type fixit bots),

Eh, not so sure on this one. I mean, we were just on the heals of Abrams' Enterprise so I definitely saw a lot more variety and play with the design.

making Spock space-dyslexic

Yeah, that might be.

the spore drive

Nah. It's weird tech of the week level stuff.

having a character or characters drop f-bombs

Data said "Shit." Tilly said "Fuck" once. I don't think anyone would lose their, um, shit, over this.

All that said, I don't give DSC a "pass" because it's new Trek. If I didn't like it I would say so. And no, just having new Trek is not a good enough reason for me. I went for years without watching Trek on TV (I passed on both VOY and ENT) and somehow, magically, I survived.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

UNPOPULAR OPINION:
I really like the opening theme to Picard. I like that it's unique and understated. It fits the show very well, at least based on where I think it's headed.

This is an unpopular opinion?!?

 

[Alexander Corrino]

This is an unpopular opinion?!?

On this board? Probably.

 

[Discofan]

As a programmer, Zimmerman ran circles around Soong. The Doctor may have had his flaws but even from the start he could pass for a human being with maybe some social problems and he experienced a full range of emotions. Soong should have hired Zimmerman to program his android's mind.

 

[BillJ]

As a programmer, Zimmerman ran circles around Soong. The Doctor may have had his flaws but even from the start he could pass for a human being with maybe some social problems and he experienced a full range of emotions. Soong should have hired Zimmerman to program his android's mind.

Huh? One was designed to be more than it was, the other was an accident due to prolonged use.

 

[Discofan]

Huh? One was designed to be more than it was, the other was an accident due to prolonged use.

Even more damning then! Zimm. did by accident and without meaning it what Soong couldn't do even with intent and using all his resources. Now tell me, which one should address the other as "Master"?

 

[BillJ]

Even more damning then! Zimm. did by accident and without meaning it what Soong couldn't do even with intent and using all his resources. Now tell me, which one should address the other as "Master"?

You have an odd way of looking at things.

 

[-Brett-]

Even more damning then! Zimm. did by accident and without meaning it what Soong couldn't do even with intent and using all his resources. Now tell me, which one should address the other as "Master"?

Like a slave? Star Trek fans really are creepy racists, aren't you?

 

[Discofan]

You have an odd way of looking at things.

Says you.

 

[BillJ]

Huh? One was designed to be more than it was, the other was an accident due to prolonged use.

Even more damning then! Zimm. did by accident and without meaning it what Soong couldn't do even with intent and using all his resources. Now tell me, which one should address the other as "Master"?

Says you.

Lets compare the works of Lewis Zimmerman and Noonien Soong...

One built what was basically a medical database with a human interface. Designed to pull data and be able to treat based on what was in the ships medical database. He never intended for it to become sentient/sapient. That simply came around because of the extended use the EMH was put to because of circumstance. The rest of the Mark I EMH's ended up mining ore.

The other built three stable sentient/sapient androids (Juliana Tainer, Lore, Data), which was his actual goal. With one of his androids serving with distinction in Starfleet for forty years.

They weren't even striving for the same goal. One lucked out in a major way by being connected to a sentient AI that he really had very little to do with. While the other accomplished what he actually set out to do.

 

[Discofan]

Lets compare the works of Lewis Zimmerman and Noonien Soong...

One built what was basically a medical database with a human interface. Designed to pull data and be able to treat based on what was in the ships medical database. He never intended for it to become sentient/sapient. That simply came around because of the extended use the EMH was put to because of circumstance. The rest of the Mark I EMH's ended up mining ore.

The other built three stable sentient/sapient androids (Juliana Tainer, Lore, Data), which was his actual goal. With one of his androids serving with distinction in Starfleet for forty years.

They weren't even striving for the same goal. One lucked out in a major way by being connected to a sentient AI that he really had very little to do with. While the other accomplished what he actually set out to do.

One second after having been activated the doctor seemed more human than data could never hope for. Data is filled with all sorts of weird idiosyncrasies and the one time he was "dating" a woman it was so pitiful and caricatural as to be embarrassing to watch. The doctor developed real bonds with women and his love was always well expressed as well as resented. Data needed a microchip to resent emotions. The doctor always did even at his start without effort. The doctor fell in love several times. data doesn't even understand what human love is and thinks it's some kind of ritual. When Data tries to mimic human behavior it either sounds creepy or ridiculous. Should I go on?

After years and years of observation, data can't even begin to do what comes naturally to the doctor. It's obvious which comes closer to humanity to the other. It's not even a close call.

 

[BillJ]

It's obvious which comes closer to humanity to the other. It's not even a close call.

Yeah. Data. Because like most folks, he spent his life trying to figure out who he was and where he fit in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Discofan]

Yeah. Data. Because like most folks, he spent his life trying to figure out who he was and where he fit in the grand scheme of things.

You're not being honest. The doctor is human from the very start. At worst he lacked social skills but he acquired them in a few years. Data couldn't understand anything human, not love, not humor, not anything after years of having been among humans. As I said, it's not even a close call. The doctor is the closest thing to a human being that was ever artificially produced. Data at his best was only an imitation and sometimes not even a good one.

 

[Kor]

There are human beings on Earth who have the same or similar difficulties with emotions as Data, due to variations in neurology etc.. That doesn't make them less human.

... resent ...

Just wanted to respectfully point out... "Feel" or "sense" would be a better word in this case. "Resent" in modern English specifically refers to a negative, grudging feeling toward someone or something, different from French "ressentir."

Kor