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Spoilers Picard 1x1, "Remembrance"

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Loved it..!!!

Was stupid though.. took one quick look at Nerdrotic’s and Mecha’s reviews and glanced over the comments..... I don’t know, I kind of felt that they would just have to at least enjoy the ep, but I should have known better.. some people are just so bent on disliking anything Kurtzman comes up with, even if it were Citizen Kane-level....
 
Was it just me, or did the replicator in the kitchen start making the "Tea, Earl Grey" before Picard finished saying "Decaf"? It should have waited for him to fully complete his specified beverage parameters, and only then began to synthesize the beverage.

Or else, maybe you say "Tea" and it starts building a glass, you continue by saying "Earl Grey" and it begins replicating a decaf tea into the glass, and adds the caffeine at the last moment if you don't say the actual word "Decaf", and then either heats it to a specified temperature "Hot", or to a default one. But that seems stupid to me.
 
I don't know if this is a new theory or something somebody else has already mentioned in the forum but I had an idea about the opening dream sequence wherein Data lays down five Queen of Hearts. I wonder if this was Picard's subconscious referring to the "queen of his heart," Beverly Crusher. Something may have happened between Picard and Beverly in the 20 years since NEM and her going back to Starfleet Medical. He may have a lot of regrets about their relationship that have only worsened in the two decades since they last served together aboard the Enterprise-E.

Thats a good one. We haven't heard Picard discussing about his relationship between him, Beverly, and other Enterprise D senior crew members post Nemesis. Hopefully we'll get a glimpse of that when he meets with Riker and Troi in the next one or two episodes.
 
Right. Who is to say he didn't spend some time getting expert medical attention before he was returned home?
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I would expect that the expert opinion on coming across an unconscious 94 year old near the site of an plasma explosion would not be to take the unconscious man home and put him on the couch and then wait deserves the asking of a second opinion.
 
I was very pleased with this episode. I need re-watch to organize all my impressions of this. Just some random thoughts... The opening credits are fantastic! Interesting mystery box here with the synthetics, and also the Borg cube as Romulan salvage op. I hope we actually see Maddox at some point. The little snippets of Romulan language sounded nice. And Dahj... :(

Kor
 
Last time Lore was seen it was in TNG Season 7, Episode 1 "Descent (Part 2)" where he was shot on by Data and then deactivated and dismantled. Where was Lore taken to after being dismantled? I find it hard to believe he would have been destroyed or else that would have been explicit in Data's explanation to Geordi (final scene of the episode).

Is it just me or is it weird that the Daystrom Institute invested all this time and effort, in the past, to research synthetic life form development and only had B-4 as a working example? The fact that they revered Dr. Noonian Soong's work as genius and as the gold standard would imply that they valued Lore's body as a top tier R&D sample, ESPECIALLY since he has a fully working positronic brain.

Theory: I like to believe that the rogue synths that attacked Mars have something to do with Lore's capability to cause harm and destruction. This probably ties in with Bruce Maddox's disappearance. Maybe in his search to recreate a fully functional synthentic life form, he uses parts of Lore and that took over in ways he couldn't predict and resulted in the current situation?
 
To repeat what I said in TNZ, what a show. I had dangerously high expectations for this, and it was just... lovely. Personal, focused, nostalgic without being crass, compelling story, and a performance from SirPatStew which draws you in and doesn't let go. I can't wait to see more.


The world they have built for Picard feels like the 24th Century, but beautifully updated and with an aesthetic that fits the show's focus on this old man and his memories. I loved how in Picard's world now, Starfleet are just there, no big deal. No focus on the new uniforms or ships, they're just backdrop. His focus is on other things, so ours is too.

The Romulan makeup remains a bit... off. I can't shake the impression they give of Ed Sheeran fans in Vulcan cosplay. I'd have liked to have retained the tattoo look from ST09 and maybe some subtle forehead ridges to accompany those eyebrows that don't quit. Something to make them more alien.

The exposition scene with the reporter was a bit clunky in having to get in so much "as you already know, Admiral" backstory, although very well acted in its latter half by both actors.

Weird thing that bugged me - the necklace design. Was it really that unusual? I see that design in every high street jewellery store, two rings intertwined. Because of this, when Dahj starts to say "did you ever..." I honestly thought she was going to ask if Picard ever married.

Lore appears to have been forgotten - my memory of Descent Part II is that the Federation have Lore in storage as well as B4. Perhaps this will play later, as Bruce must have been working off something. Also, what happened to the Data's mum Android? Genuinely can't remember.
 
Was it just me, or did the replicator in the kitchen start making the "Tea, Earl Grey" before Picard finished saying "Decaf"? It should have waited for him to fully complete his specified beverage parameters, and only then began to synthesize the beverage.

Or else, maybe you say "Tea" and it starts building a glass, you continue by saying "Earl Grey" and it begins replicating a decaf tea into the glass, and adds the caffeine at the last moment if you don't say the actual word "Decaf", and then either heats it to a specified temperature "Hot", or to a default one. But that seems stupid to me.

Maybe it was the replicators way of saying 'I KNOW OLD MAN YOU ORDER THE SAME DAMN THING EVERY DAMN DAY DO YOU NOT THINK THAT I HAVE YOUR ORDER STORED IN MY MEMORY FILES? WHAT DO YOU THINK I AM SOME SORT OF EARLY 21ST CENTURY SMART FRIDGE? HOW DARE YOU SIR, HOW DARE YOU.'
 
I think it was one of Marina Sirtis biggest complaint during the TNG years. Poor Deanna always got mind-raped at least once each season :confused::confused:

Her and Riker regularly got the invasive shit stick. I think only the O’Briens can compare. I like to think of the four of them just sitting in silence at some kind of federation support group before going for a stiff drink.
(You can imagine a few of the other characters that suffered some form of alien possession or body modification dropping by, but those 4 would be there every week.)
 
We know there is no functional Utopia on Earth. Period. Things are massively better than things are today. But we know kids will steal shuttle craft, we know kids can still bully (Jean Luc's Brother), we know kid's can lie and steal, we know that peer pressure is still there, we know there is murder, and mental illness. We have human's who are racists. We have humans that will order genocide, we have humans that will violate treaties, we have humans that will kill hundreds. We have humans that will cover up crimes, we have humans that will mutiny, we have humans, that will overtake the legal government. We have humans that will turn a blind eye to massacres.

These are all things that 24th century humans will do, and almost all of these examples occur from TNG (Military Coup is DS9). Some from when Gene was still in control over the show.

So anyone who truly believes that Star Trek is Utopian, hasn't been paying attention no matter what some characters state (or some writer's state). Because actions are louder than words, and there are plenty of actions that prove there are still issues that humanity (and by extension the Federation, let alone colony worlds, ect) have to work on.
 
We know there is no functional Utopia on Earth. Period. Things are massively better than things are today. But we know kids will steal shuttle craft, we know kids can still bully (Jean Luc's Brother), we know kid's can lie and steal, we know that peer pressure is still there, we know there is murder, and mental illness. We have human's who are racists. We have humans that will order genocide, we have humans that will violate treaties, we have humans that will kill hundreds. We have humans that will cover up crimes, we have humans that will mutiny, we have humans, that will overtake the legal government. We have humans that will turn a blind eye to massacres.

These are all things that 24th century humans will do, and almost all of these examples occur from TNG (Military Coup is DS9). Some from when Gene was still in control over the show.

So anyone who truly believes that Star Trek is Utopian, hasn't been paying attention no matter what some characters state (or some writer's state). Because actions are louder than words, and there are plenty of actions that prove there are still issues that humanity (and by extension the Federation, let alone colony worlds, ect) have to work on.
Well said. Star Trek's Earth is paradise compared with today, but it isn't and has never been perfect. Star Trek is as much about striving for utopia as it is about achieving it.
 
I just watched the show. It was like watching TNG era Trek all over again. I am absolutely in love with this show and it feels like I am watching Star Trek again for the first time in nearly twenty years.

I do enjoy Discovery, but this show blatantly pulled all the right strings. Nice details from the series we already know with no attempts to rewrite the past canon. Wonderfully acted drama. Trek is about the characters, not about the action. I am so glad Stewart came back to the role.
 
I would expect that the expert opinion on coming across an unconscious 94 year old near the site of an plasma explosion would not be to take the unconscious man home and put him on the couch and then wait deserves the asking of a second opinion.

Time for someone to call in Dr Crusher. If she is unavailable, time to awaken the EMH Doctor who will fix Picard after asking about the nature of the medical emergency ;);)
 
We know it isn’t perfect. Nothing is. I just want the Federation to be a beacon of good Will and exploration still. I feel like that’s one of the things you can’t change.
It was always a mixed bag, really. Starfleet Command once ordered Picard to commit genocide. Picard's personal vision of the Federation didn't always match the reality, which in a sense is what this show is about.
 
On my second watch and damn I loved everything about this. Seriously, how any of those youtube goons can hate this absolute work of art is beyond me.

Random side: I'm wondering with the Romulan assassins might have some genetic engineering going on. Especially the dude who spat at Dahj like she was Dennis Nedry.
 
It was always a mixed bag, really. Starfleet Command once ordered Picard to commit genocide. Picard's personal vision of the Federation didn't always match the reality, which in a sense is what this show is about.

One of the things that did not endear me to TNG in general and Picard, in particular, is one of his defining character traits is his self-righteousness. Now overall it was slightly more tolerable than Janeway's, because his wasn't an all-consuming driving force.

But it was rarely presented as a trait that was capable of negative effect, and I find I appreciate that in the opening episode we see that Picard's self-righteousness is what has put him where he is waiting to die. He's like the father in Bend it Like Beckam, who finally learns the lesson that by being driven by self-righteousness, the person he's most hurt is himself and its time to put it aside because it's now in his way. I do hope his late in life conversion informs the storyline because to me it makes him a vastly more interesting and more sympathetic character than he ever was before except on very rare occasions.
 
Discovery version of S31 makes zero sense in the context of what we know of them from DS9. People even didn't know what they were, yet just a century ago they were openly operating branch of Starfleet. The writers literally din't understand the source material. This is the sort of replacing I meant, the writers decided to ignore what was established and did their own thing. Same with Klingon cloaks. Same with supertech that shouldn't have existed then. And of course all the visuals.

If you want to do a TOS era show, then do that, and build on what was established. And if you don't want to do that, then don't, and make a completely new show instead.
Many Americans today are unaware the holocaust occurred. I find that utterly impossible, but here we are.

That said, Discovery DID reboot the 23rd century, putting Nemesis-level forcefield tech on the old USS Shenzhou. Now it's version of it has supplanted the original, and that's fine because it's only a TV show and I can still watch and enjoy TOS any time I want.
 
I had mixed feelings about it. There were things I liked and things I didn't, but nothing so far that I can't live with, and I am overall optimistic that this may turn out well.

I was very worried that they would corrupt the Federation or Starfleet, and they kind of did that-- and yet, I found myself okay with it, because I could really sympathize with Picard's position. He resigned from Starfleet because they abandoned their principles by letting the Romulans twist in the wind. When I was young, when TOS was on the air, we had a widespread humanitarian social movement that changed the world more than it had ever been changed before-- then those who came after us abandoned those principles in favor of fundamentalist identity politics and political correctness, alienating and dividing people, and bringing us to our current dark times. So I am in somewhat the same state of disgust as Picard is now. And the Federation isn't being portrayed as some dark nuBSG dystopia-- it's still a high civilization-- but it's lost its moral high ground. So I can accept this as Star Trek dealing with contemporary issues as it always has, as long this is fixed in the end.

The other thing that I was worried about was whether they would reference the Romulan supernova, and they did. I don't really want any acknowledgement of JJ Trek, but there are mitigating factors here, too. The focus is really more on the Mars attack by rogue "Synths," the purpose of which seems to have been to prevent saving Romulans. Plus, there was no mention of Spock. Hopefully there won't be, so that we can just assume that in the original timeline our Spock did not end his life in colossal failure as he did in JJ World.

The setup and premise seem decent so far, although I would have preferred an Admiral Picard on the bridge of an Enterprise. There were a lot of nice touches, like him speaking French at home and keeping all of his relics from his days on the 1701-D in a stasis storage chamber. I like that he has two Romulan caretakers who adore him, but aren't afraid to poke fun at him. I like his dog. I like the attention to so many details of TNG, like Data's painting and his run-in with Maddox.

The interview at the start of the episode on the occasion of the Martian attack anniversary was perfectly done to both unload a lot of needed exposition and also to present the reduced character of the Federation in the person of the vapid and self righteous interviewer. We're presented with a mystery that will be central to the plot: Why did a fleet of rogue Androids (now called "Synths" for no apparent reason) destroy the fleet intended to evacuate Romulans? Do Synths hate Romulans? Was there another motive? In any case, Androids have now been outlawed-- although the rogues are presumably still out there-- and are apparently viewed as "soulless killing machines" by the common people. I wonder if this law (and prejudice) is being applied to holograms like the Doctor.

I was very surprised that the character of Dahj was killed off so quickly, and I'm not entirely convinced it was a real death. The first group of attackers seemed to want to abduct her, so the second attack was either conducted by a different group or her death was a red herring of some kind. We'll see. It seems odd that they would kill off Data's daughter just as she came to Picard for help, even if she has a twin out there. And we still have to find out who her mother is and if Maddox was involved in her creation.

I'm not entirely surprised that Data remained dead and that B4 could not handle his memories. I'm a little more surprised that they explicitly said that it's still impossible to replicate Dr Soong's technology, and I wonder what that means, since we know that other AIs, such as the Doctor, exist. Plus, those rogues are presumably sentient. I hope they don't retcon the Doctor as a mere simulation.

One thing that really felt like a rip off was that the story was only 43 minutes long. Come on, people, this is streaming!

On a technical level, the sound was really bad. I had my laptop cranked up to the max and had to turn on the subtitles. I hope that goes better with future episodes.

But anyway, I was pretty relieved that this episode was not a disaster and was actually pretty good. It was really nice to see a cranky old Picard get a little bit of his fire back, and I wonder where this will take us. I'm still a little worried, but more optimistic now.
 
I'm a huge TOS fan, and I just couldn't get invested in the Discovery versions of Pike, Spock and Number One. Good actors, but so much of the material was bland and could've been given to anyone.
I really liked the characters but the material wasn't great, interestingly enough the short treks worked better than the actual episodes at times which says a lot about the overall plot of S2.

Their presence actually helped the show a lot and after S1 it needed it, it cant happen again though as the show has now moved into the future.
 
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