Spoilers Picard 1x1, "Remembrance"

[Datasbeard]

Dahj's mom scene reminds me of Terminator 2 now that I watch it again, when John Connor called his foster parents. I knew something seemed familiar about it.

Have we discussed the "mom" bit? At first, I felt as you, that this was someone pretending to be her mom for nefarious purposes, most likely the Romulans. But the advice she gave Dahj wasn't nefarious; it was good, to find Picard, to seek help. The Romulans don't seem to be after Picard, otherwise they would have killed him on the rooftop. My guess is that the "mom" is some kind of manifestation of Dahj's own program.

 

[marillion]

Well, I watched most of it this morning. CBS All Access dropped signal twice. And what the hell is with all the commercials? I'm paying to watch commercials?

Loved what I saw of the show. Definitely has a "real world" feel that TNG never had. I will have to rewatch it again tonight and pick up what I may have missed.

 

[Tuskin38]

And what the hell is with all the commercials? I'm paying to watch commercials?

You have to pay extra for no commercials.

 

[Campe]

Definitely has a "real world" feel that TNG never had.

This is something that has been sorely lacking in any Earthbound Trek. I think the only other time I really felt like 23rd/24th century Earth had been lived in was JJ's two movies.

 

[eschaton]

Have we discussed the "mom" bit? At first, I felt as you, that this was someone pretending to be her mom for nefarious purposes, most likely the Romulans. But the advice she gave Dahj wasn't nefarious; it was good, to find Picard, to seek help. The Romulans don't seem to be after Picard, otherwise they would have killed him on the rooftop. My guess is that the "mom" is some kind of manifestation of Dahj's own program.

I dunno. I got the impression that she was set up on Earth at least for awhile. She seemed to have a boyfriend after all, who wasn't a setup. My own guess was her mom was some researcher attached to Maddox who agreed to play the role. Hell, she might even have been the donor of Dahj's human DNA. But Picard seemed pretty sure she didn't actually live through a whole human childhood.

 

[Nenya]

Yeah. It's interesting how Discovery and Picard are very different shows right from the get-go.

They don’t look like it. To me at least. They look contemporary.

Fortunately, Picard seems to be the complete opposite, with a fully planned out story arc.

So Discovery is akin to some CW show or JJ Abrams show that makes it up as they go along and Picard will be like, a good show?

 

[DaveyNY]

True. But that would imply that Maddox only got a copy of Data's early memories, while the show suggests otherwise. I don't think Data took up painting before he met Maddox, did he?

Didn't Data say at the end of the episode that he would keep Maddox abreast of his activities?

Routine downloads from Data could have kept Maddox abreast of things up to Data's destruction.

 

[Jadeb]

Yeah, "mom" is definitely sinister, or at least duplicitous for some reason. We'll have to see what she's up to. I hope the dude who showed up at the end is also up to something, because his sob story to a stranger was one of the more clunky moments, I thought. I didn't really buy the reaction from the twin, either. (Also, I wondered why one twin is just starting the Daystrom Institute and the other seems to be a high-up doctor. Did I miss something?)

As a random aside, I like this thread's voting scale much better than 1 to 10. Eliminates some of the variability inherent in personal scoring systems. (For example, my 5 is "average/OK," but other people consider that "poor." And I almost never give out 10s, but I'm happy to award an "excellent.")

 

[sttngfan1701d]

The Romulans don't seem to be after Picard, otherwise they would have killed him on the rooftop. My guess is that the "mom" is some kind of manifestation of Dahj's own program.

They didn't need to be after Picard...they just needed to know where Dahj was. If she went to Picard again, they'd know where to find her instead of her in hiding somewhere.

 

[CorporalClegg]

-Data let Lal choose her own gender.)

Which, funny enough, was the more "woke" thing to do.

Oh, and another thing...remember how the first time Dahj was attacked, one of the attackers requested the other "use English?"

I think this was meant to be "We're on Earth, talk like they do and blend in." sort of thing.

Of course, if that were the case, I would have said, "We're in Boston, get out your tricordah and your distruptah."

 

[eschaton]

Yeah, mom is definitely sinister, or at least duplicitous, for some reason. We'll have to see what she's up to. I hope the dude who showed up at the end is also up to something, because that scene was one of the more clunky moments, I thought. I didn't really buy the reaction from the twin, either.

I think we can presume that since Maddox created the twins - and Dahj was going to work at the Daystrom Institute for AI and quantum consciousness - that Maddox created them with that interest and placed them where they were for a reason. Maybe he hoped they could continue publicly what he was no longer able to do?

 

[Jadeb]

I know there are a lot of Romulan refugees now, and some of them may prefer to use English instead, but that really seems to suggest to me that some of the assailants are not Romulan, but human.

I thought the opposite -- that they're trying to hide their identity.

 

[Jadeb]

I think we can presume that since Maddox created the twins - and Dahj was going to work at the Daystrom Institute for AI and quantum consciousness - that Maddox created them with that interest and placed them where they were for a reason. Maybe he hoped they could continue publicly what he was no longer able to do?

I thought she was enrolling at the Daystrom Institute -- like a college student. That's why I thought it was odd her sister was so much further along in her career.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Clegg's early prediction: The attack on Mars was a Tal Shiar false flag.

 

[sttngfan1701d]

I liked Dahj in what little time we spent with her. I hope the sister is likeable too.

 

[eschaton]

I thought she was enrolling at the Daystrom Institute -- like a college student. That's why I thought it was odd her sister was so much further along in her career.

She calls herself a "fellow" - which in the present would suggest graduate or postdoctorate work.

Clegg's early prediction: The attack on Mars was a Tal Shiar false flag.

Why would the Tal Shiar want more of their own people to die though?

I mean, it's possible, but it seems convoluted even for the Romulans.

 

[Jadeb]

She calls herself a "fellow" - which in the present would suggest graduate or postdoctorate work.

Thanks, I missed that. But sis still seems way past that. Maybe we'll get an explanation.

 

[BillJ]

Why would the Tal Shiar want more more of their own people to die though?

Federation synths killing Romulan citizens. Good way to reopen old wounds.

 

[BillJ]

I was disappointed they changed the 'Star Trek' font in the opening credits.

 

[Lord Garth]

They don’t look like it. To me at least. They look contemporary.

If all you go by are looks, then you're being superficial. I suspect you know this too and are being superficial deliberately.

Tonally, Discovery and Picard are very different. Pacing-wise, Discovery and Picard are very different. Apart from falling under the umbrella of science-fiction, Discovery and Picard are very different. DSC is a fast-paced action-adventure show that skews younger and has a duality where it can be very serious but also very whimsical. PIC is a slower-paced adult drama that skews older and can get inside the little bubble the characters live in while actually looking at the larger world they actually occupy.

I think the two shows complement each other. They don't cover the same ground, they don't have the same traits, and they have very different moods. Sometimes I'll be in the mood for one, other times I'll be in the mood for the other.

So Discovery is akin to some CW show or JJ Abrams show that makes it up as they go along and Picard will be like, a good show?

No. That's not it at all. You're not even trying.