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Spoilers Spyfall, Part Two grade and discussion thread

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Cutie McWhiskers said:
There are photos leaked online; in the hologram the outfit looks vaguely Troughtonesque (hopefully not deliberately but it's at least a nice contrast to Matt Smith co-opting so many of Troughton's lines and mimicking them poorly) but the leaked photos, which don't look fake, use a purple and dark blue color scheme. It's like the Joker had a second outfit that the Master stole and it's so bad that as a result everyone's long since forgiven Pat Godfrey's design of the 6th Doctor's coat, which was far more original too...

In fact, here's an official article showing the outfit. Get your puke bag on before clicking it:

https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/a30429599/doctor-who-master-sacha-dhawan-costume-inspiration/

Pic link within might be bad, but it's a good read. So try this one too:

https://www.ign.com/articles/2020/0...aster-sacha-dhawan-the-timeless-child-spyfall

Thankfully, Troughton was not an inspiration - consciously or otherwise.

TBH, it doesn't look bad but the purple just makes me think "The Joker from Batman called."

Still, the chequered trousers with matching pattern for the oversized waistcoat... again, the 6th Doctor coat didn't clash nearly as badly.

If anything, the muted hues do emit gloom and doom. Bright bold colors usually inspire happiness, like how superheroes used to be before someone on antidepressants reimagined the genre as being dank and dreary. Drab hues usually make one feel disconcerted. Unless one is gawking at a forest fire like the ones in Ausatralia set off by arsonists, that bright orange glow is anything but happy. :mad:
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The purple outfit really is Joker-esque.
 
Ar-Pharazon said:
The purple outfit really is Joker-esque.
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Too much so, and I'd love to be a fly on the wall on the day Chibnall asked the costumier to make up the new Master outfit and, of all the choices presented, that was the best. The parallel yet inversion between this and the 6th Doctor's coat and the Master's in terms of being tasteless... at least the Doctor's got bold originality. Comparatively speaking, his coat is allegedly paying homage to the 4th's overcoat but whose color scheme was to be "totally tasteless" when visually showcasing his personality. And that was weird in 1984, though it did grow on me...
 
Cutie McWhiskers said:
Too much so, and I'd love to be a fly on the wall on the day Chibnall asked the costumier to make up the new Master outfit and, of all the choices presented, that was the best. The parallel yet inversion between this and the 6th Doctor's coat and the Master's in terms of being tasteless... at least the Doctor's got bold originality. Comparatively speaking, his coat is allegedly paying homage to the 4th's overcoat but whose color scheme was to be "totally tasteless" when visually showcasing his personality. And that was weird in 1984, though it did grow on me...
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I am used to my own fan arrogance and my own talents leading me to believe I can do better than the show makers in the realms of story, character, even set design now and then.

This is one of the first times I think I also believe I could dress a lead character better. (That’s a slight lie, the Doctors outfit is also bloody awful.)
 
Haven't read any of this thread, just stopping in to give my two cents.

While I haven't bee a big fan of the new Doctor Who I really enjoyed this outing.
To be clear, I love Jodie but the stories just haven't grabbed me so far.

This felt like an classic episode of Doctor Who even if they had to go back over old territory with bringing back the Master. Nice big story, a new alien race, the companions in peril on their own, the Doctor without a TARDIS, Ada Lovelace and Charles Babbage too! It was great fun and a wild ride with a mysterious ending.

Who is the timeless child?
 
Turtletrekker said:
David Tennant did the "I don't like it" line in The Day of the Doctor.
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Troughton said it twice in "The Three Doctors" & "The Five Doctors." 10 years apart. Moffat managed to use it 3 times in 4 years-- Smith said it to Craig in "Closing Time," Tennant said it to Smith in "Day of the Doctor," and Clara said it to Capaldi in "Deep Breath."
 
Not quite on par with the first part, and I remain a little fuzzy on the details of the Big Evil Plot, but a highly enjoyable conclusion, nonetheless. Dhawan's Master is difficult to truly get a bead on, but possibly that's the point; deranged by what he learned. Speaking of...

I'm another one unsure about the whole glassing of Gallifrey/"all you know is a lie"/Timeless Child thing. Right now, I struggle to see how it could be resolved in properly satisying fashion, and worry it could end up either suffocatingly bleak (even for recent NuWho) or cheaply reset. Wait and see, I guess.
 
It's like what Marvel did with the Asgard "for a while".

Achetype perpetuating a cycle of death and rebirth.

In the year 5 million, that Forrest Lady said that it was upsetting what had happened to the Time Lords, but if they keep dying and coming back, exactly which extinction (of the many extinctions) of their entire species was the tree talking about?

It's how the confession dial worked, so why not their entire civilization?
 
CuriousCaitian said:
I remain a little fuzzy on the details of the Big Evil Plot...
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I think it goes like this:

1. The Kasaavin were already looking into invading our universe of their own accord.
2. The Master apparently found out somehow, and stuck his oar in to "help out", of course with his own ulterior motives.
3. Where Barton comes into it I'm not entirely clear - did the Master recruit him? C did say they both used to work for British Intelligence, so I guess they met there.
4. The Master used time travel to help insert the Kasaavin throughout time as well as space, following and influencing the development of computers through history.
5. Barton would then use his resulting tech empire to get access to all the humans on the planet, since they all kept pressing "agree".
6. The Kasaavin would then use their alien superpowers to "reformat" human DNA, via Barton's access, so as to use that storage space to take over human bodies in this universe, because they couldn't exist in this universe in their natural form.
7. To check and confirm the process, Barton allowed himself to be experimented on, resulting in the 7% non-human DNA.
8. Spies and undercover agents all over the world started to notice weird stuff was going on, so the Master and Barton and the Kasaavin attacked them, wiping their DNA first of everyone's before the big rollout was ready. However, they had only got as far as the "reformatting" part of the process, not yet as far as the "taking over the bodies" part of the plan.
9. The attacks on the spies are what brought the Doctor in, which annoyed Barton (that's why he told the Kasaavin they should have been more discreet), but the Master was perfectly placed to try to get the Doctor out of the way thanks to his own history as O. That's why he sent her the fish picture, to lure her in and get her off the playing field. He did not succeed in that.

As for why each of the related bad guys were doing this:

a) the Kasaavin were doing it basically because they're aliens, and aliens always want to invade Earth. There may be more details yet to be revealed there, because we never really got much info about their home dimension, and the Master was last seen there, so I have little doubt they'll be back...
b) Barton was doing it because he seemed to have a chip on his shoulder about his own mother not acknowledging his greatness (note that in Part 1, he only let Yaz and Ryan interview him because his mother read the paper they claimed to work for; he wanted her to read a story about how fabulous he is), and it seemed that this grudge led him to want to destroy the world out of sheer spite, and...
c) the Master was doing it because it would simultaneously annoy the Doctor by hurting her pet Earthlings, and get her attention so that they could discuss the Gallifrey situation. The Master can never just come straight out and talk to the Doctor, he has to make a big meal of it (remember that Missy's entire "Promised Land" scam in season 8 was purely with the point of giving the Doctor a birthday present so they could be friends again).

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lvsxy808 said:
I think it goes like this:

1. The Kasaavin were already looking into invading our universe of their own accord.
2. The Master apparently found out somehow, and stuck his oar in to "help out", of course with his own ulterior motives.
3. Where Barton comes into it I'm not entirely clear - did the Master recruit him? C did say they both used to work for British Intelligence, so I guess they met there.
4. The Master used time travel to help insert the Kasaavin throughout time as well as space, following and influencing the development of computers through history.
5. Barton would then use his resulting tech empire to get access to all the humans on the planet, since they all kept pressing "agree".
6. The Kasaavin would then use their alien superpowers to "reformat" human DNA, via Barton's access, so as to use that storage space to take over human bodies in this universe, because they couldn't exist in this universe in their natural form.
7. To check and confirm the process, Barton allowed himself to be experimented on, resulting in the 7% non-human DNA.
8. Spies and undercover agents all over the world started to notice weird stuff was going on, so the Master and Barton and the Kasaavin attacked them, wiping their DNA first of everyone's before the big rollout was ready. However, they had only got as far as the "reformatting" part of the process, not yet as far as the "taking over the bodies" part of the plan.
9. The attacks on the spies are what brought the Doctor in, which annoyed Barton (that's why he told the Kasaavin they should have been more discreet), but the Master was perfectly placed to try to get the Doctor out of the way thanks to his own history as O. That's why he sent her the fish picture, to lure her in and get her off the playing field. He did not succeed in that.

As for why each of the related bad guys were doing this:

a) the Kasaavin were doing it basically because they're aliens, and aliens always want to invade Earth. There may be more details yet to be revealed there, because we never really got much info about their home dimension, and the Master was last seen there, so I have little doubt they'll be back...
b) Barton was doing it because he seemed to have a chip on his shoulder about his own mother not acknowledging his greatness (note that in Part 1, he only let Yaz and Ryan interview him because his mother read the paper they claimed to work for; he wanted her to read a story about how fabulous he is), and it seemed that this grudge led him to want to destroy the world out of sheer spite, and...
c) the Master was doing it because it would simultaneously annoy the Doctor by hurting her pet Earthlings, and get her attention so that they could discuss the Gallifrey situation. The Master can never just come straight out and talk to the Doctor, he has to make a big meal of it (remember that Missy's entire "Promised Land" scam in season 8 was purely with the point of giving the Doctor a birthday present so they could be friends again).

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Thanks! Involved seems rather an understatement!
 
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