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Ok...this is a tough one for me, but I can't deny it any longer...I rewatched the film today and I just have to be honest with myself at this point.

Extremely Unpopular Opinion:

TUC is a pretty weak film. Yes, I've said this in the past, but there was always a part of me that didn't believe it. But, I watched it today and it barely holds up quite honestly. In fact, I almost aborted in favor of a different Trek movie about 1/3 of the way in, feeling like I was wasting precious time. I don't think I've ever felt that way during a TOS movie viewing

The dialogue ranges from somewhat clever to downright awful. The plot is so contrived and nonsensical under even the most basic scrutiny (and I'm personally a low bar for chrissake...I like DSC and the Kelvin films). The middle two acts are ponderously slow and uninteresting. There's a ridiculous amount of virtual winking and smiling at the audience that takes me right out of any sense of urgency the film is trying to convey. The over-indulgent Nick Meyer "I will have characters quote great literature every 3 minutes" routine is embarrassing. I find the visual effects to be weaker than all the TOS films except TFF (also a really low bar). The production generally looks cheap and rushed.

I may not revisit this one again for a long time.

The weekend before Christmas my wife and I watched II-VI and I couldn't agree more. I've always found TUC to be weak and yes, I find TFF much better.

I always laughed when people complained about Scotty bumping his head after saying he knew the ship like the back of his hand, saying it was disrespectful of the character. I guess people in the future never stub a toe or catch their shoulder on a door frame, etc, etc. I find TUC far more disrespectful of the characters, painting them as bigoted or downright stupid. And the tracker on Kirk's jacket... The Klingons are, fortunately for our heroes, even more stupid.

I've never been a fan of Meyer and think he's highly overrated by Trek fans. He re-wrote the script for TWOK. Big deal. Yeah, far too much dropping of literary quotes in TUC. But I've considered Meyer a pretentious hack since I saw Time After Time. Even as a kid in school that movie bugged me. The years were all wrong. The Ripper did his deeds in 1888 and Wells didn't publish The Time Machine until 1895 but the movie, as I recall, takes place in 1893. I know Meyer based the movie on a novel but it still bugged me.
 
Unpopular opinion: I like holodeck episodes. It beat the hell out of TOS doing essentially the same thing by pretending a whole planet is like 20s gangsters

I don't mind holodeck episodes, but found TOS' parallel worlds stories to be a lot more fun. Playing a bit of "What If?" with history.
 
Unpopular Opinion: Turning the "prophets" and the "pah wraiths" into a full-blown black magic bullcrap was the stupidest move the writers of DS9 ever made!!!

At the very least they should have maintained the ambiguity and making it possible for this to be just two opposing groups of aliens with very advanced technology and science.

I really disagree here. It is just far more fun than more of rubber nosed aliens.
 
Unpopular opinion: The best Star Trek movie is out of print.

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I thought I read somewhere that when the DE came out in 2001 Bob Wise insisted that it must supplant the SLV. Anyone else hear that?

He's dead and gone now, so I doubt Paramount would continue to bow to his wishes. Honestly, there likely isn't much of a market for the SLV now, no matter how badly I want a copy.
 
human sacrifice
Blood based technology is a thing.
burning books
More iffy on this one, but the Prophets and Pah-Wraiths seem to love symbolism.
mantras, and incantations
Passwords.

Doctor Who did a similar thing around the idea of technology providing an alien species power in the time of Shakespeare, but they couched it in witchcraft beliefs of the day.

Also, Trek is the show where literal magic exists in TAS. So, not a big stretch for this show.
 
I hate it when they can't even be coherent within a single episode, like in TNG's "The Battle", when Picard complains of a headache to Beverly who's the ship's doctor, she acts as if headaches never happen unless you're dying or something, in fact, she's downright appalled at the idea and then later in that same episode we have Riker who says that Picard's headache is "normal under the stress he's undergoing"!!! So in only a few minutes, headaches changed from something practically unheard of to something normal!!!

Seriously!!!
 
I hate it when they can't even be coherent within a single episode, like in TNG's "The Battle", when Picard complains of a headache to Beverly who's the ship's doctor, she acts as if headaches never happen unless you're dying or something, in fact, she's downright appalled at the idea and then later in that same episode we have Riker who says that Picard's headache is "normal under the stress he's undergoing"!!! So in only a few minutes, headaches changed from something practically unheard of to something normal!!!

Seriously!!!
The whole notion that something as innocuous as headaches could ever be entirely conquered by medical science is preposterous. It would be like saying no one ever sneezes anymore.

You can get a headache just from looking at something too long. Now the doc might be able to quell all headaches in their advanced future, but to act like no one should ever experience one? Bull hockey.
 
The whole notion that something as innocuous as headaches could ever be entirely conquered by medical science is preposterous. It would be like saying no one ever sneezes anymore.

You can get a headache just from looking at something too long. Now the doc might be able to quell all headaches in their advanced future, but to act like no one should ever experience one? Bull hockey.

I am not disputing that. What I deplore is the lack of coherence of these episodes. One moment headaches are a thing of the past, the next they are a common thing. It's like that episode of DS9 where Rom never heard of unions and has to be explained by Miles what they are and then everyone knows about them, including the Ferengi who never had any.
 
Blood based technology is a thing.
We're not talking about blood. We're talking about the blood of someone who's just been murdered. Besides, why would the Pah Wraiths get in the way of someone trying to free them? That doesn't make any sense. The "prophets" have supposedly locked the "pah wraiths" in a cage and the key to that lock is in a book, supposedly written/inspired by the "pah wraiths"... Why would the "prophets" write/inspire a book to free the things they've caged? But the "pah wraiths" already know all the passwords since they've written them in a book!!!
More iffy on this one, but the Prophets and Pah-Wraiths seem to love symbolism.

Passwords.

Doctor Who did a similar thing around the idea of technology providing an alien species power in the time of Shakespeare, but they couched it in witchcraft beliefs of the day.

Also, Trek is the show where literal magic exists in TAS. So, not a big stretch for this show.

Given that TAS was destined to children, my expectations about it were pretty low.

Anyway, all of this sounds very much like the most primitive of mumbo jumbo we have/had here on Earth.

You can try to rationalize it all you want but in the end, what you have here is unsubtle black magic bullshit that doesn't even have the saving grace of being parodic.
 
You can try to rationalize it all you want but in the end, what you have here is unsubtle black magic bullshit that doesn't even have the saving grace of being parodic.
Yes, Star Trek fans rationalize all kinds of magical things. This is not new.
 
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