C+. Not a bad ride, but suffered from the same problems as Abrams’ other films. There were too many video game like treasure hunt bits and the pacing was too fast. Also, I really liked Palpatine in the prequels but I just didn’t like him here. He was too cartoonish and over the top. I thought the final battle was kind of ridiculous. All these ships are stopped by Palpatine’s fource lightning and then they magically just start working again? I agree with another poster who said the use of the force in these films has gotten ridiculous. I’ve been a diehard Star Wars fan since I was six ( I’m 32 now) and I’m disappointed that these films can’t seem to do anything new. I left feeling fairly satisfied though, and didn’t expect to after reading the leaks and knowing that JJ was directing.
Spoilers Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - Grading & Discussion
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IMO - If Rey SHOULD have been made Luke's daughter (that he didn't know about) Not much would have needed to be changed to to overall storyline), and personally I could have forgiven all of the storytelling mistakes for these three movies. I'm not as invested in SW as you would think (I'm way more of a ST fan), but I'm nearly considering these three movies non SW canon.
I guess I'll enjoy season 2 of Lost in Space more.
I guess I'll enjoy season 2 of Lost in Space more.
I both liked and disliked General hugs death.. He he
So a week before New Hope Luke has some mutual fun with a girl on the hood of his speeder at Tosche station. And if he hadn't been distracted by all these damn Star Wars, then he might have wound up married with children.
I liked some of the new stuff they did with the Force, especially the mind probe idea. I also loved the idea of all the First Order craft firing on Luke and doing no damage. I always thought one of the best ways to portray the Emperor's power in ROTJ was showing that he didn't even bother with a lightsaber - that made him seem so much stronger to me that seeing him flip around like a jackass while fighting Yoda. Luke being able to apparently block all that power without even needing his weapon was such a cool way to show how strong he'd become.
Then it was spoiled by that dumb shoulder brush thing. And then it was spoiled by not even really happening
I liked how yoda just absorbed his lightning in sith..
In the books luke had a light side lightning called electric judgment or emerald lightning.. Kind if wish Rey used that against paps.
In the books luke had a light side lightning called electric judgment or emerald lightning.. Kind if wish Rey used that against paps.
I'd have liked it a lot more if he didn't shoot it back at him, but then I kinda consider that fight franchise's lowest point.
Absolutely. I don't think Luke is black and white at all, but I do disagree on comparing the ROTJ duel with TLJ.
In ROTJ, Luke is goaded into striking at a man that holds the fate of the galaxy in his withered, evil hands (and has just revealed that the Rebel plan has gone to shit and all Luke's friends will die). And then later is enraged by Vader implying that he would take Leia in Luke's stead.
In TLJ, Luke walks quietly up to a sleeping boy, senses that his heart has been turned by Snoke, and turns on his lightsaber with the intention to strike him dead. The impulse passes almost immediately, but he still took the time to walk to Ben's sleeping area, took his saber out, ignited it...and then thought twice.
Not saying he would have done it, of course. Just that I personally wouldn't compare it to a moment of rage.
It made perfect sense that he would hate Ren, and especially hate Ren being Supreme Leader, enough to be feeding information to the Resistance. But it was handled so badly. Either have him be good at it and continue to undermine Ren throughout the movie until he's hoist on his own petard, or, if you must have him be pure, unadulterated clownery, have him escape with the good guys and be comic relief for the rest of the movie until, again, dying in some hilarious and/or unexpectedly noble way.
I've seen a few people discuss how this movie never lets anything have consequences and constantly undoes itself, with Hux being a great example; we find out he's the spy... so he's killed in his next scene.
I would. It's how the Jedi are trained to react to the Dark Side.
I want to share a bunch of insights into/commentary on elements of this movie that can hopefully shed some light on things that people apparently either didn't like or didn't understand about it:
* Rey was born 11 years after the Battle of Endor, so her father (Palpatine's son) would have most likely been born sometime between the events of Revenge of the Sith and Return of the Jedi
* Both of the new lightsabers that we see in this movie that are associated with Rey have direct ties to the Jedi Temple Guards; the hilt of the double-bladed red saber that her dark 'mirror' uses is almost an exact replica of those guards' sabers, and the yellow blade color of the saber she made and had with her on Tatooine matches their saber blade colors
* Palpatine would have most likely sent his "Final Order" Star Destroyers to Exogol BEFORE the Battle of Endor, and so they were likely crewed by Imperials who remained loyal to him even after his supposed death
* Palpatine's return was mapped out with direct collaboration with and input from George Lucas, and so the new lore that we discovered in this movie regarding the Sith also likewise would have come directly from his mind
* The detail about Luke using an S-foil from his X-Wing as a door for his hut comes ONLY from the behind-the-scenes material on The Last Jedi, but Abrams and Terrio chose to retcon that particular detail out, which means that it is not actually a contradiction because retcons, by the very nature of what they are, are not and cannot be considered contradictions
* Spoiler Alert: Poe having been a Spice Runner is addressed in the Visual Dictionary, and it's not as recent a part of his history as you are both assuming
* We can debate whether or not this Trilogy needed to have had its overall arc-line mapped out from the very beginning until we are all blue in the face, but, in the end, The Rise of Skywalker got us to that point with the story decisions that were made. JJ Abrams has also unequivocally stated that he had absolutely zero intention of 'undoing' anything that Rian Johnson did with The Last Jedi and was pleased with, supportive of, and surprised by some of Rian's choices and that said choices gave him the opportunity to go places with the story that he wouldn't have considered
* As I have previously noted, The Rise of Skywalker builds on Rian's choice to make both Rey and Ben the co-protagonists of the story and places their connection to each other as a 'Force Dyad' at the heart of all 3 films in the Sequel Trilogy; it also recontextualizes the Skywalker Saga as a whole so that it isn't just about the Skywalker family, but the Palpatine family as well, with both the light and the dark represented by members of said families
* Palpatine's message that is referenced in the crawl was an 'exclusive bonus' provided to players of the video game Fortnite as a viral marketing tie-in to the film's pre-release promotion
* Rey was born 11 years after the Battle of Endor, so her father (Palpatine's son) would have most likely been born sometime between the events of Revenge of the Sith and Return of the Jedi
* Both of the new lightsabers that we see in this movie that are associated with Rey have direct ties to the Jedi Temple Guards; the hilt of the double-bladed red saber that her dark 'mirror' uses is almost an exact replica of those guards' sabers, and the yellow blade color of the saber she made and had with her on Tatooine matches their saber blade colors
* Palpatine would have most likely sent his "Final Order" Star Destroyers to Exogol BEFORE the Battle of Endor, and so they were likely crewed by Imperials who remained loyal to him even after his supposed death
* Palpatine's return was mapped out with direct collaboration with and input from George Lucas, and so the new lore that we discovered in this movie regarding the Sith also likewise would have come directly from his mind
* The detail about Luke using an S-foil from his X-Wing as a door for his hut comes ONLY from the behind-the-scenes material on The Last Jedi, but Abrams and Terrio chose to retcon that particular detail out, which means that it is not actually a contradiction because retcons, by the very nature of what they are, are not and cannot be considered contradictions
* Spoiler Alert: Poe having been a Spice Runner is addressed in the Visual Dictionary, and it's not as recent a part of his history as you are both assuming
* We can debate whether or not this Trilogy needed to have had its overall arc-line mapped out from the very beginning until we are all blue in the face, but, in the end, The Rise of Skywalker got us to that point with the story decisions that were made. JJ Abrams has also unequivocally stated that he had absolutely zero intention of 'undoing' anything that Rian Johnson did with The Last Jedi and was pleased with, supportive of, and surprised by some of Rian's choices and that said choices gave him the opportunity to go places with the story that he wouldn't have considered
* As I have previously noted, The Rise of Skywalker builds on Rian's choice to make both Rey and Ben the co-protagonists of the story and places their connection to each other as a 'Force Dyad' at the heart of all 3 films in the Sequel Trilogy; it also recontextualizes the Skywalker Saga as a whole so that it isn't just about the Skywalker family, but the Palpatine family as well, with both the light and the dark represented by members of said families
* Palpatine's message that is referenced in the crawl was an 'exclusive bonus' provided to players of the video game Fortnite as a viral marketing tie-in to the film's pre-release promotion
Well that and the fact that you can clearly see it in the film itself. It doesn't match the hut and it's the exact same color pattern as his x-wing.
No reason it can't be a spare panel. Or that ghost Luke didn't fix the ship between TLJ and TROS. There are plenty of ways around the ship being intact if it's that big a deal.
Regardless of what the original intent might've been, Abrams and Terrio decided to retcon that very insignificant detail, which means that, officially, the hut door wasn't actually made from part of his X-Wing despite assumptions or impressions to the contrary.
Is it really that hard to imagine Rey simply bolted the 'door' back on once the fighter was out of the water? She is a pretty good mechanic, you know.
I give it a B.
Also:
*Oceania is at war with Eastasia. Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.
It doesn't officially mean anything save that you're blowing smoke. It just means the ship is functional when Rey needs it. Frankly, it's perfectly workable that both are true, requiring no retcons or rethinking.
Fair point. I think there’s a good case to be made either way.
The X-Wing is completely whole when Luke raises it from the water.
Hence why I said that JJ and Chris Terrio decided to retcon the idea that the door to Luke's hut was made from part of the ship.
