Would you be OK with a remake of The Cage?
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Agreed! Plus the need for something is a personal preference and not representative of how everyone feels abut something.
I really liked the Q and A Short Trek and I thought if a Pike series started from this point, eventually, they'd run-in into The Cage. Would they re-do it with the current cast and sets? Hard to say, but, I think it would provide a more complete picture of Mount's portrayal of Pike. Not wanting to dismiss Hunter's portrayal of the character, Mount is depicting the aftermath of a traumatic event to a character that someone else played. I think it would mean something more if we see The Cage events as played by Mount, Romijn, and Peck's version of the characters.
The new cast is providing the history of the characters far more than Hunt and the cast of The Cage did; we just associate the originals more with those characters because they've been embedded in Trek lore for over fifty years. When I think of Captain Pike now, my mind instantly goes to Anson Mount.
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Don't know about a remake of The Cage; however I really want to see a series with Mount and Peck set on Pike’s Enterprise.
I’d love to see a story arc for the years leading up to Pikes accident, and how he copes knowing what his future will bring...
Honestly, as much as I’m looking forward to the new Picard series, I’d be more excited about a pre TOS Pike series....
I’d love to see a story arc for the years leading up to Pikes accident, and how he copes knowing what his future will bring...
Honestly, as much as I’m looking forward to the new Picard series, I’d be more excited about a pre TOS Pike series....
This is one thing I hope they totally dismiss if they do a Pike show. I don't need the character wallowing for years on end over his fate.
Also, as an argument, over which version is 'real' and which not, if a remake were to deviate significantly from the original:
"The Menagerie" presented 'The Cage' as a literal construct on a screen for Kirk and company to watch, like an episode of a TV show. It was projected this way by the inhabitants of Talos IV, for their own reasons. Who is to say it's reliable? Or, maybe, which parts of it are reliable?
And as per alternative versions of events, how do we define the 'real' version when we're presented two alternatives anyway? Which version of Star Trek: The Motion Picture is more authentic, the one in theatres, the one from TV, or the Director's Edition? Where is the line on these things? Is it canon that Colonel West was the near assassin of the Federation President in Star Trek VI, as per the Director's Cut, or does it even matter if the assassin isn't just some unnamed human schmuck in a Scooby-Doo Klingon Rubber Mask, ala the theatrical version?
Maybe "The Cage" isn't canon, and while "The Menagerie" is, it's version of events on and around Talos IV as projected onto a screen by the Talosians is a dubious fictional account?
So revisting it in context of Mount and co seems reasonable, to me.
"The Menagerie" presented 'The Cage' as a literal construct on a screen for Kirk and company to watch, like an episode of a TV show. It was projected this way by the inhabitants of Talos IV, for their own reasons. Who is to say it's reliable? Or, maybe, which parts of it are reliable?
And as per alternative versions of events, how do we define the 'real' version when we're presented two alternatives anyway? Which version of Star Trek: The Motion Picture is more authentic, the one in theatres, the one from TV, or the Director's Edition? Where is the line on these things? Is it canon that Colonel West was the near assassin of the Federation President in Star Trek VI, as per the Director's Cut, or does it even matter if the assassin isn't just some unnamed human schmuck in a Scooby-Doo Klingon Rubber Mask, ala the theatrical version?
Maybe "The Cage" isn't canon, and while "The Menagerie" is, it's version of events on and around Talos IV as projected onto a screen by the Talosians is a dubious fictional account?
So revisting it in context of Mount and co seems reasonable, to me.
Definitely agreed. And yes, the thought has occurred to me a few times between the Director's Editions of TMP and VI, plus the deleted scenes in TWOK establishing that Saavik was half-Romulan; are they actually canon?
My only worry if The Cage were modernized/remade from the context of the new cast, set, and production values is that those who love to hate on Discovery would see this and be convinced this Pike series was set in another timeline other than the prime just as they do with Discovery.
And honestly, the timeline discussion is becoming just as tiresome as the canon obsession.
It is. It's like an excuse to hate.
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I have zero faith that they could do anything that would result in an overall superior episode.
The Cage is a top 5 TOS episode, imo. It would be like watching a nuTrek version of City on the Edge of Forever for me.
The Cage is a top 5 TOS episode, imo. It would be like watching a nuTrek version of City on the Edge of Forever for me.
No, of course not. Especially if it is in the "Top 5" for you, so how would they, um, top that? An unrealistic expectation at its finest.
That said, I think it would be incredibly entertaining and could be enjoyable. But, if our benchmark is Mount Everest then almost anything is going to fall short of that mark.
I don't know if the intention would be to improve it. I've often wondered if The Cage is ranked so high simply because of its importance. Not to say that my opinion is be all end all, but, I've always found the episode to be incredibly boring. I think there are far superior TOS episodes -- especially more than five.
Yeah. I'm not exactly sure what the big deal is. For me, DSC's take on the aftermath of that episode is far more interesting.
I would be 100% down for rebooted "City"
(Sniff.) Am I the only one who wants to see Star Trek return to the FUTURE of Trek?
Erm... Picard is set at the turn of the 25th century and Discovery season 3 is way beyond in the 32nd century.(Sniff.) Am I the only one who wants to see Star Trek return to the FUTURE of Trek?
What more do you want???
I WANT MY CAKE AND EAT IT TOO!! (Jeff Goldblum)
What I REALLY want is just a new Trek show set some 50 years after the TNG era, a la TNG itself. There's no knowing what will happen with Discovery in the far future, but I assume it will be temporary, like the time spent in the Highly Reflective Surface Universe.
The plan is to not go back. They've taken Discovery out of the 23rd Century permanently. The showrunners have said this several times.
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