Joker Origin Story Announced
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Just saw it. Quick take:
Phoenix is outstanding, as is cinematography, set design and the rest of the technical side of filmmaking.
Story is thinner than I’d hoped but I’ve long since become a viewer who favours performance ahead of plot in film and theatre, so this will be added to the collection.
Phoenix is outstanding, as is cinematography, set design and the rest of the technical side of filmmaking.
Story is thinner than I’d hoped but I’ve long since become a viewer who favours performance ahead of plot in film and theatre, so this will be added to the collection.
WB has launched its Oscar campaign for Joker https://batman-news.com/2019/10/31/joker-oscar-campaign/
I didn't know Bradley Cooper produced the movie. It's probably due to knowing Todd Phillips(The Hangover)
and he might made a few calls to get Deniro to be in the movie too due to their "Limitless" collaboration
and he might made a few calls to get Deniro to be in the movie too due to their "Limitless" collaboration
Which is good for Warner.
Yeah the critics didn’t like the violence. So it was sure to be a hit. The movie is about a violent psychopath for Pete’s sake what did they expect. Lol
I just watched the teaser. I got the same impression - thin on plot with a few set pieces lumped in. It might be worth watching but if there is a message in the movie, what is it, and will people recognize it, and then what? At least there haven't been mass shootings with someone saying "the movie made me do it". Reminds me of when I was a young kid and mom had said she was driving back from the store and almost ran over two (kids or teens) who were copying what was done in some movie by putting themselves into garbage bags and laying on the open road for a thrill... man, if that were that easy I'd be in the Starship Enterprise playing Go Fish with Sybok and his pals.
The long-overused dull teal/orange and puke yellow/green screen palettes are also grating. To the point I'm astounded that Joker isn't wearing dull drab hues the way all the superheroes do nowadays... talk about twisted, superheroes always were bright bold clothing because those often inspire happiness and rescue and all that. Or in Batman's case the hero has to look happier than the villain, it's all good.
Also, was the 1990s movie "Falling Down" a source of inspiration for this movie?
Saw it again today with a friend who has zero interest in “superhero” movies. He was quite impressed with Phoenix and the film more generally.
I found it better upon a second viewing (and also appreciated the aesthetics of the 70mm film presentation). There were nuances I didn’t catch the first time (not gonna address them from my phone, though). It was also enjoyable to be able to discuss it with a fellow viewer right away.
I found it better upon a second viewing (and also appreciated the aesthetics of the 70mm film presentation). There were nuances I didn’t catch the first time (not gonna address them from my phone, though). It was also enjoyable to be able to discuss it with a fellow viewer right away.
Interesting debate about the film. I largely agree with Gleiberman (though I would quibble with the degree of sympathy for Fleck he suggests is in the film).
There’s a piece in the NY Times Magazine that persuasively rebuts all the hand-wringing from a number of critics.
Another Times article raises interesting questions about “whiteness” in the film (it’s a more negative review of the movie than I think it deserves but it raises some good points).
I didn't have any sympathy for him beyond "it sucks to get dealt a bad hand in life". His actions were still his.
Sympathy and empathy are not the same.
I felt a good deal of empathy with the character, and certainly identification. Identification with the viewpoint character is central to popular movie narrative, and awful as Fleck is the plain truth is that it wouldn't be an almost billion dollar movie if a huge number of people didn't want on some level to be with this guy for two hours.
And yes, the same is true for the likes of Hannibal Lector. No one wants to cop to that, but it's how the movies work.
What's really sad about commercial movie-making is how often the creators fumble what a naive viewer might think is the simple and straightforward task of getting the audience to identify with a good guy - a hero. And that's why so many movies that work on paper just bomb.
I felt a good deal of empathy with the character, and certainly identification. Identification with the viewpoint character is central to popular movie narrative, and awful as Fleck is the plain truth is that it wouldn't be an almost billion dollar movie if a huge number of people didn't want on some level to be with this guy for two hours.
And yes, the same is true for the likes of Hannibal Lector. No one wants to cop to that, but it's how the movies work.
What's really sad about commercial movie-making is how often the creators fumble what a naive viewer might think is the simple and straightforward task of getting the audience to identify with a good guy - a hero. And that's why so many movies that work on paper just bomb.
The Joker is already the biggest R rated movie blockbuster of all time.
This is very impressive considering, Joker has not been approved for release in the China's market, because of it's violent and anti authority content.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/t...the-ways-joker-is-breaking-records-2019-11-06
This is very impressive considering, Joker has not been approved for release in the China's market, because of it's violent and anti authority content.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/t...the-ways-joker-is-breaking-records-2019-11-06
Which proves its an undeniable movie phenomenon without having to rely on the Chinese market like so many studio films do. Clearly, Joker is touching people in ways no one could imagine a villain-staring film could. On that note, I do not expect that particular lightning to strike twice, but it will not stop other studios from trying to push their own Joker-esque film, right down to shameless copies.
Ready for the dark gritty Care Bears movie that people didn't know they wanted but do.
Jason
It is not, however, a remarkably strong performer in the U.S.