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"Superman & Lois Lane" flying to The CW

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Turtletrekker said:
My memory is good enough to tell me this
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No, your memory is poor. Past administrations have committed unforgivable acts--many counted as atrocities within its borders and across the world for generations, which have effects still shaping and/or destroying lives today. This is a nation that had presidents such as LBJ claiming that "negroes" were getting "uppity" and would flex political power thanks to the then-recent legislative victories (instead of being grateful sheep to massah Lyndon), but was assured that his work would secure "..the vote of the ni**ers for 200 years."

This is a nation where FDR refused to even speak in support of the ultimately failed Costigan-Wagner Act (federal anti-lynching legislation), for fear of losing southern support and as a result, a threat to his political future--so the blood of an incalculable number of black murder victims is forever on his hands and legacy.

This is a nation where Eisenhower was in full support of the CIA's coup against Mosaddegh, and the subsequent installation of one Mohammad Reza Pahlavi (Shah) of Iran. The decades of chaos and mass death (in several countries) to follow is all on Eisenhower's head. Details of this kind--about real presidential corruption, and destructive beliefs/actions would fill every thread on this board, but the point was made:this "glorious" nation has been dark, brutal and evil all along, and has witnessed events that make anything from the current occupant pale in comparison.This is not about your Trump obsession leading to a belief that he's "the worst thing everrrr!", but the truth of American history.

Just because shrill, shrieking conspiracy theorists such as yourself were shrieking "Benghazi" and "lock her up" doesn't mean any actual crimes were committed, except in the minds people such as yourself.
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One, do not assume you know anyone here, because what you're posting is all bullshit. I did not care about Benghazi in ways matching your rant except that those lives would not have been lost if this nation had not continued to pursue its interests in lands they never had any business being in. Two, "lock her up" is now--in typically hypocritical fashion--repurposed as "lock him up" as barked by those who hate Trump.

Blinders....remove them.
 
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Also, just because AoS and Superboy and L&C and Smallville were nothing but hetero white people having hetero white people problems won't be an argument when this show inevitably is more than just hetero white people having hetero white people problems.
 
JD: No one said it was ok, but any attempt to claim he's the worst of the worst--as so often happens in social media--is not only patently false and shows a gross ignorance of history (or do not give a damn beyond lip service), but its an insult to those who suffered and/or died from the truly evil actions of past administrations on a scale that will never be seen again (such that many in my own family had to deal with).
 
Sorry, I usually try to ignore it, but I just couldn't take it anymore and had to say something. I'll stop now.
 
CorporalClegg said:
Also, just because AoS and Superboy and L&C and Smallville were nothing but hetero white people having hetero white people problems won't be an argument when this show inevitably is more than just hetero white people having hetero white people problems.
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Seems like that's all you see.

Tuskin38 said:
Can we not talk about politics here. It's against the rules anyways.
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As it should be, but it shouldn't be around on the show either. That's the whole point.

Some people are so divorced from reality that it's amazing there isn't some level of alimony involved.
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That's not a denial. That's an attempt at a diversion.
 
Kirk Prime said:
As it should be, but it shouldn't be around on the show either. That's the whole point.
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I'm not going to take a pointed political stance here (no need to contribute anything that might further get the thread locked). However, I will take issue with your opinion that politics "shouldn't be around on the show". "Should" is not for you (or me) to decide. The people making the show are free to add, remove, maintain, entirely erase, etc. ANY "politics" they want. They are not free to do so without consequence (possible loss of viewers, reprimands from bosses, complications in getting funding, possible violations of broadcast rules...the list is copious) but they are in no way obligated to follow a dictate of "should" or "should not". You are free to complain about "politics being in the show"--you are NOT entitled to a show that is apolitical (leaving aside the issue of whether such a thing is even possible). You have complete freedom of choice--watch it or don't. Complain or don't. But if you are to complain in anything that resembles a cohesive manner, it would help if the complaints were not "one-note" repetitions.

The reality is the politics ARE in the show. They have been since the beginning and are exceedingly unlikely to disappear. They do not sufficiently bother "the bosses" (the show makers still have jobs) and they are broadly supported by most of the audience that bothers to offer commentary (witness the ratio of those who dislike the stance vs those who approve). If you somehow expect your particular objections to alter the political stance of the show makers, I would advise you to revise your expectations. This doesn't mean you need to "convert" to their perspective--it does mean you will not affect any significant change to the status quo. Your best bet is to stop watching (if your goal is to "avoid the politics"). There are many, many TV programmes (as well as other forms of media and entertainment) that do not align with my expectations or values--I waste no time with them (I won't live long enough to watch all the things I do find interesting, and I've no plans to die anytime soon).

So watch. Or don't. But neither you, nor any white heterosexual male (including me), is being "oppressed", nor are the show makers being "racist" or "bigoted" because they support politics with which you disagree. Focusing on the "non-white heterosexual male" perspective is NOT "racism" or "bigotry".
 
Superman is not a great teamleader in a fight.

He's always giving second chances and the benefit of the doubt, while the baddie is flossing their teeth with Ted Kord's spine.
 
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I like how TAS had J'onn as the boss. I don't know if this is commonplace, be he just seems like the right guy for the job.

And obviously Harewood has been boss before.

*That's assuming Sara doesn't want the job.
 
thribs said:
About time the proper hero got a show. I imagine he will be the new boss when Arrow leaves.
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That is until Supergirl shows up reminding him she beat him up once making him so afraid he pees his pants forcing him the adourn the traditional red diaper. Jason
 
Wet things freeze in the coldest cold.

To avoid carrying around a larger and larger block of solid pee, kal would have to heat Ray his trunks whenever after he voids his bladder.

I was imagining a biological deficiency where all Krytonians have peanut sized bladders.

In Space he would have to Heat Ray his funtimezone before and during urination so that it would float off safely.

Although, super strength, all that pee is probably moving so fast, that his alien wee is not completely frozen until its a mile off into the black yonder.

If his piss has enhanced powers, its super tough, so if its half frozen, then his wiz is like dumping Razor blades into rapids, that may cause Superman's entire midsection to explode, if he's not careful.
 
Ovation said:
However, I will take issue with your opinion that politics "shouldn't be around on the show". "Should" is not for you (or me) to decide. The people making the show are free to add, remove, maintain, entirely erase, etc. ANY "politics" they want.
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And they make the show to entertain the audience, who clearly, based on the massive drop in ratings for Supergirl, does not like this choice. If they want to do a political show, they should go on CNN. If they want to entertain, they need to grow up and get a clue that politics does not entertain. Look at this board. Look at the sheer hate that has been spewed by people against the President which has nothing to do with either Supergirl or Superman.

Ovation said:
The reality is the politics ARE in the show. They have been since the beginning and are exceedingly unlikely to disappear.
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Actually, politics became the show after Trump won. The problem is that politics aren't just in the show, it IS the show, and the lousy ratings certainly tell the tale of the popularity.

Ovation said:
So watch. Or don't. But neither you, nor any white heterosexual male (including me), is being "oppressed", nor are the show makers being "racist" or "bigoted" because they support politics with which you disagree. Focusing on the "non-white heterosexual male" perspective is NOT "racism" or "bigotry".
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Of course not, but if you read the hate on these boards, there is a racist/sexist attitude against straight white males for some reason, and to have that while getting on a soapbox is extreme hypocrisy. However, that's also not relevant to the topic at hand. I don't care if a show has a female lead or a person of color lead. What I do care about is that the show treats iconic characters right, and they certainly have not done that with Superman on Supergirl because of their own prejudices. You're right that focusing on something other than a white, heterosexual male is not bigotry. But when people show hate for straight white males, and you have seen that in posts all over these boards, that IS bigotry.

Professor Zoom said:
That's like... your opinion... but, maybe the point of the show IS to tackle social issues.
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Tackling social issues is one thing, being a shill for the left and demonizing the right is another. People don't like that, even if you do. Hence the minuscule audience.

Maybe a superhero show should focus on superheroes and not checking boxes. Superman hopefully will be better than that. The Flash and Arrow are.

People want to be entertained, not lectured. My hope is that Superman is a show for everyone, not just extreme liberals.
 
Kirk Prime said:
And they make the show to entertain the audience, who clearly, based on the massive drop in ratings for Supergirl, does not like this choice. If they want to do a political show, they should go on CNN. If they want to entertain, they need to grow up and get a clue that politics does not entertain. Look at this board. Look at the sheer hate that has been spewed by people against the President which has nothing to do with either Supergirl or Superman.



Actually, politics became the show after Trump won. The problem is that politics aren't just in the show, it IS the show, and the lousy ratings certainly tell the tale of the popularity.



Of course not, but if you read the hate on these boards, there is a racist/sexist attitude against straight white males for some reason, and to have that while getting on a soapbox is extreme hypocrisy. However, that's also not relevant to the topic at hand. I don't care if a show has a female lead or a person of color lead. What I do care about is that the show treats iconic characters right, and they certainly have not done that with Superman on Supergirl because of their own prejudices. You're right that focusing on something other than a white, heterosexual male is not bigotry. But when people show hate for straight white males, and you have seen that in posts all over these boards, that IS bigotry.



Tackling social issues is one thing, being a shill for the left and demonizing the right is another. People don't like that, even if you do. Hence the minuscule audience.

Maybe a superhero show should focus on superheroes and not checking boxes. Superman hopefully will be better than that. The Flash and Arrow are.

People want to be entertained, not lectured. My hope is that Superman is a show for everyone, not just extreme liberals.
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Politics can be entertaining and so can social issues. When done well it just adds a extra level of subtext. Jason
 
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