Mudd's Women: Kirk’s Quarters - Window?

[Methuselah Flint]

When Spock first brings Mudd and the women to Kirk’s cabin, he is writing on the desk and next to him we see the wall. I have been watching the episode tonight, and it appears to be a window, perhaps one of the early season one ideas that was later removed?

Is anyone able to confirm this? Or is it a picture?

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

When Spock first brings Mudd and the women to Kirk’s cabin, he is writing on the desk and next to him we see the wall. I have been watching the episode tonight, and it appears to be a window, perhaps one of the early season one ideas that was later removed?

Is anyone able to confirm this? Or is it a picture?

Yes there used to be a porthole in the cabin quarters but it was covered up in later episodes.

 

[Methuselah Flint]

Thanks!

 

[Henoch]

It could be an access/maintenance hatch to get at the conduits/plumbing behind the wall. Later, these unsightly hatches were covered up with a wall panel feature:

 

[ZapBrannigan]

I saw a bts video at some point in which Vic Mignogna (Star Trek Continues) claimed that these wall panels in Kirk's cabin covered the openings that a camera would shoot through.

I would have thought that they'd just slide the whole wall aside, so I don't know if that's true for actual TOS. The bridge set was eight or ten pull-out sections, with each one on hidden wheels, but I don't know if the other sets' walls were that mobile and easily removed.

 

[Maurice]

That is dependent on if the walls are built "wild" to be movable. Many were not, like the bulk of the briefing room with the exception of the side facing the Kirk's quarters set. I don't think the tilted back walls in either the quarters or the briefing room were wild.

Here's one of the "windows" behind Mudd (LINK)
Here's one in the redressed set as the room Mudd and the women are held in (LINK)

 

[Timo]

For the in-universe angle, we could use this as proof that Kirk switched cabins (Deck 12 gets replaced by Deck 5 in dialog).

Or then he just developed a bit of agoraphobia... Or a sense of heightened privacy. Who knows whether a jealous crewman might send a DOT-7 to watch and record the direct view to Kirk's bunk from the outside?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[ZapBrannigan]

Or then he just developed a bit of agoraphobia... Or a sense of heightened privacy. Who knows whether a jealous crewman might send a DOT-7 to watch and record the direct view to Kirk's bunk from the outside?

That happened on The Orville, hilariously. The captain got jealous and wanted to check up on his relationship, and he slowly pulled up alongside her window in a shuttlecraft to peer in.

 

[uniderth]

Who knows whether a jealous crewman might send a DOT-7 to watch and record the direct view to Kirk's bunk from the outside?

What the heck is a DOT-7?

 

[Maurice]

That happened on The Orville, hilariously. The captain got jealous and wanted to check up on his relationship, and he slowly pulled up alongside her window in a shuttlecraft to peer in.

Yeah...cause violating someone's privacy and playing peeping Tom is so hilarious.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

That is dependent on if the walls are built "wild" to be movable. Many were not, like the bulk of the briefing room with the exception of the side facing the Kirk's quarters set. I don't think the tilted back walls in either the quarters or the briefing room were wild.

Here's one of the "windows" behind Mudd (LINK)
Here's one in the redressed set as the room Mudd and the women are held in (LINK)

Although it looks like the tilted wall tops were wild or removed to get these shots in "Journey to Babel" and "Amok Time" respectively (screencaps from Trekcore).

 

[Qonundrum]

That happened on The Orville, hilariously. The captain got jealous and wanted to check up on his relationship, and he slowly pulled up alongside her window in a shuttlecraft to peer in.

Yeah...cause violating someone's privacy and playing peeping Tom is so hilarious.

They're fictional people and something a lot of us would probably not condone or tolerate in real life. As a TV show, a sitcom no less, most things tend to be sent up in the name of laughter and amusement.

And in some cases, people react with laughter over the shock of something rather than actual comedic content.

Ed was being immature, which I like to believe people were laughing it, but the whole situation is so bizarre and outre - going to such silly lengths, that in of itself apart from any deeper connotation could and would be seen as humorous as well.

And 'Orville' is sold outright as a sci-fi/comedy, which a number of people might subconsciously label and perceive it accordingly. It's all in freewheeling fun.

Didn't "Friends" have a few hundred episodes devoted to everyone spying on one another once their ship had landed? Or at least a few dozen, or at least two-twelths of a dozen? (e..g. Alex vs Joey, or Monica by a neighbor across the street who had quite a view of a number of apartments that would be physically impossible but it's a comedy based loosely on reality... yes I looked those up because that show was stupid but most people would disagree with me and that's okay; everyone has differences in what they want for their tv shows.)

 

[Qonundrum]

It could be an access/maintenance hatch to get at the conduits/plumbing behind the wall. Later, these unsightly hatches were covered up with a wall panel feature:

If the blu-ray, if not original film stock, was any higher, we'd almost see the freshly raised stubble on his chest. (Roddenberry did not want a captain to have a hairy chest, believing it would not exist three centuries in the future... (yet plenty of arm and underarm hair still had...) So there's your Sheldonoid Factoid for the day... )

say what about a wall panel to hide an opening for alternative camera angles now?

 

[ZapBrannigan]

Although it looks like the tilted wall tops were wild or removed to get these shots in "Journey to Babel" and "Amok Time" respectively (screencaps from Trekcore).

Same director for those two: Joseph Pevney.

And it looks like Vic Mignogna was wrong about a need to shoot through openings behind those little wall panels.

 

[Timo]

Spying on others, whether with the help of a peephole or a DOT-7, is unlikely to remain something we can frown upon for long. Privacy just gets outdated as a concept when the reach of our eyes (or other senses - see the thread about life on Betazed) improves. Legislation already fails to keep up: basically every one of us is a criminal for publishing, globally and instantaneously, images that show people we didn't ask permission for, at locations that don't really count as public, at a resolution that reveals the chest stubble discussed above - or even for aiming our imagers at said folks without their permission.

However, it would appear something was done about this in Star Trek, where our heroes infamously fail to enjoy direct and detailed views of everybody's private affairs, despite working for the military where you traditionally sign a waiver even for your right to live. It's fun trying to figure out what this something might have been...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Maurice]

If the blu-ray, if not original film stock, was any higher, we'd almost see the freshly raised stubble on his chest. (Roddenberry did not want a captain to have a hairy chest, believing it would not exist three centuries in the future... (yet plenty of arm and underarm hair still had...) So there's your Sheldonoid Factoid for the day... )

{citation needed}

Same director for those two: Joseph Pevney.

And it looks like Vic Mignogna was wrong about a need to shoot through openings behind those little wall panels.

Imagine my shock.

 

[Henoch]

Why use a window while there is access to 23th century recording devices? For example, Babylon 5 G'Kar kept his "eye" on the action. But I digress,

The wall panels are too small to match up to any exterior window, so, they are not windows. The Enterprise has something like 29" thick walls that run gobs of ventilation, conduits and other stuff through them (including skinny men to pull open and close the doors ). Keep it simple, they're just maintenance hatches to get at that stuff, if needed. Later, removable decorative wall panels were added to hide them. Also note that these decorative wall panels are in all the quarters. Easy-Peasy.

 

[Maurice]

Kirk's quarters were built long before any other depiction of windows on the ship ("Conscience of the King") so they could well be windows. They were openings in the set wall. What else would they be?

 

[Mytran]

Kirk's quarters were built long before any other depiction of windows on the ship ("Conscience of the King") so they could well be windows. They were openings in the set wall. What else would they be?

Nothing that remotely matched any external features, that's for sure

 

[Maurice]

They're rectangular. The windows on the outside are rectangular. The scale may be off, but that's hardly "nothing that remotely matched".