New Short Trek: The Trouble With Edward

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by eschaton, Oct 8, 2019.

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How Would You Rate The Trouble With Edward?

Poll closed Nov 11, 2019.
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    33 vote(s)
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  1. WebLurker

    WebLurker Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Problem is, First Contact and ENT were supposed to be part of whatever timeline all the other TV shows were a part of (e.g., ENT leads into the future that TOS happened in). There's plenty of evidence to support this as well; with the events of First Contact being noted to be a predestination paradox in "Relativity" (VOY), Star Trek Beyond referring to pre-Kelvin timeline stuff from ENT, not to mention that "Regeneration" (ENT) was specifically written to be not only a sequel to First Contact, but a prequel to "Q Who" (TNG) and the other Borg episodes. Besides, the only reason the idea gets entertained in the first place is explain why the modern shows tech looks fancier, which is needlessly complicated when we've seen the shows coexist TOS tech with others, strongly suggesting that the look is purely a design choice of the casing and interface.
     
  2. BillJ

    BillJ The King of Kings Premium Member

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    I've got four distinct timelines that I work from. Broad strokes are mostly similar, the details are different...

    1) TOS, TAS, Star Trek: The Motion Picture.

    2) Star Trek II-VI, TNG, DS9, VOY, TNG movies.

    3) Enterprise (spun out of the events of First Contact) and Discovery.

    4) The Abrams movies.

    It works for me, it is far easier than trying to come up with explanations for why things look different and why so many things don't line up. YMMV.
     
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  3. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Seven knows about the events of First Contact, which wouldn't work if First Contact changing the past created an alternate timeline. Plus ENT: Regeneration was a prequel to Q-Who.
     
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  4. BillJ

    BillJ The King of Kings Premium Member

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    If there are nearly 300,000 distinct timelines (at least, those are just the number of Enterprises that we see, uncounted where the "D" doesn't exist or was destroyed prior to the events of "Parallels"), then it is possible that events happen in more than one timeline. With some variation.

    I'm not suggesting anyone else follow my lead, people need to do what makes them happy. This is how I decided things would fit together for me. It is entertainment, after all.
     
  5. The Wormhole

    The Wormhole Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Was it?
     
  6. BillJ

    BillJ The King of Kings Premium Member

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    I thought it became some kind of museum? Or am I remembering the books? The NX-02 ended up lost, but that's not canon.
     
  7. BillJ

    BillJ The King of Kings Premium Member

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    There is no canon issue. It is all canon. Going all the way back to James R. Kirk. Canon is just the work.
     
  8. The Wormhole

    The Wormhole Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    No, you're right. The NX-01 became a museum according to Riker in TATV.
     
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  9. BillJ

    BillJ The King of Kings Premium Member

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    I just found the relevant dialogue...

    http://www.chakoteya.net/Enterprise/98.htm
     
  10. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk A Spock and a smile Premium Member

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    This should be burned into the brains of every fan.
     
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  11. BillJ

    BillJ The King of Kings Premium Member

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    I do think the short would've been better if it had been Klingons on a Klingon ship. Though it would've been a lot more expensive with sets and makeup.
     
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  12. Ar-Pharazon

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    Spocks Brain 3b.jpg
     
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  13. Phoenix219

    Phoenix219 Commodore Commodore

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    ENT: Cold Front
     
  14. Phoenix219

    Phoenix219 Commodore Commodore

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    Seven was already in an altered timeline. She wouldn't know.
     
  15. BillJ

    BillJ The King of Kings Premium Member

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    It was definitely a branching point. The ship was supposed to be destroyed, but wasn't.
     
  16. fireproof78

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    Not necessarily, especially since it is established there is time travel consistently established in Trek. That whole "predestination paradox" thing.
     
  17. Lord Garth

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    I'm hungry for Tribbles.
     
  18. Mr. Laser Beam

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    I'm not.

    Not only could I never eat anything with fur, I'd be just a tad skittish about those damn things reproducing inside my stomach. :eek:
     
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  19. donners22

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    I just wish that DS9 had ended with Benny Russell on a soundstage, as Ira Behr proposed.

    Visual inconsistencies? Benny's just keeping up with technology.

    Canon issues? Benny decided to retcon something, or just made a mistake.

    Weird episode? Benny did a little too much "LDS".

    Solves everything.

    Or, of course, you could just replace Benny with "the writers", and not treat it as a big deal.
     
  20. Agony_Boothb

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    Benny was a member of the church of latter day saints?