The Last Jedi - Actually Widely Hated?

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  1. Campe

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    Yeah, the rumor mill suggests that they were making Han Solo look like Ace Ventura. That would have been horrible.

    I’m all for something different in the Star Wars arena. I agree Solo wasn’t the right project for them.
     
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    Kennedy's main job.. maybe her only real job.. is to match director's up with the projects they are doing and make sure that everyone is on the same page. She had to get rid of four directors.. There have been what.. like 4 movies.. 5 movies.. she is TERRIBLE at her job unless you are delusional
     
  4. ichab

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    I've never bought the Lucas line "these movies were made just for kids" In the very first movie(later retitled Episode 4, the first of MANY revisions to these films) we see two people burnt to a crisp and an arm sliced off with a lightsaber. The Empire Strikes Back had a little humor ,but the story was much darker than what you would see in a kids flick. Return of the Jedi was when the story started to get too humorous and the focus became more about selling toys to children. Gary Kurtz pointed this out himself.


    ""I could see where things were headed. The toy business began to drive the empire. It's a shame. They make three times as much on toys as they do on films. It's natural to make decisions that protect the toy business but that's not the best thing for making quality films."

    Couldn't agree more.
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  5. Flying Spaghetti Monster

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    the skeletons of burning people wasn't graphic o r violent but it was there to deliberate make it a PG movie not a G movie.
     
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    I always thought it was the re-shot severed arm of Ponda Baba that was supposed to serve that purpose, but either way it's an odd move to make if we're to believe that the film was made purely for children.
     
  7. Flying Spaghetti Monster

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    well this is the 0s. It was made for children. So was Bambi and Pinocchio and stuff in those movies was more for adults. Oliver (1968) is far more adult, but was targeted to kids
     
  8. Tosk

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    What I mean is, if a film is made for children, why would you consciously try to get a higher age rating?
     
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    I thought it was pretty grim to be honest and found it to be pretty disturbing when I was a kid, alongside vader crushing antilles throat near the beginning of the film.
     
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  10. crookeddy

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    JJ has never stuck around to actually close his precious mystery box before. Let's hope he knows how. ;)
     
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    This hits the nail on the head. The same thing has happened to me when looking for people to play in bands with. You talk with peeps, they say they want to do something King Crimson/Mr Bungle inspired... but then they play some fucking lollipop shit. People can have very different ideas what constitutes certain styles and ideas and you won't know until the ball is rolling.
     
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  14. Flying Spaghetti Monster

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    No.. No..
    if you a re a competent producer you DO know. That's what the role of a producer is.. to know exactly what you want out of the movie, even down to the tone. And especially with a movie that shares its universe with other films like SW it's the producers job to keep all that stuff good and run a tight ship. She screwed up four times with five films to match her vision with her directors' visions.
     
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    I enjoyed The Force Awakens, but, for me, that was movie whose intention was to reorient the audience. TFA reintroduced us to the world of the original trilogy, which was a great move.

    But the real test had to come after this. You've brought the original Star Wars world back, but now what are going to do with it? That's what The Last Jedi had to figure out; it had to take it somewhere beyond just being a reunion movie. And, while I haven't seen it since its theatrical run, I didn't care for it. It seemed to want to take plot elements set up in the previous film and just throw them out the window for the sake of surprising the audience.
     
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    She has producing credits on 82 films including E.T., Gremlins, Temple of Doom, Back to the Future, The Goonies, Who Framed Roger Rabbit?, Schindler’s List, Jurassic Park, Twister, The Sixth Sense, Seabiscuit, Munich, Warhorse, Lincoln.

    It’s very easy to criticize someone doing their job when you’ve never done it. We very easily put the blame at her feet but we don’t know what corporate mandates are put on her from Disney. Everyone has to answer to someone, even the head of Lucasfilm. If you look at Disney, there’s a history of making significant changes to productions sometimes for good sometimes not. One prime example: take a look at the history behind The Emperor’s New Groove. The film they set out making and the film that was made are two totally different things.

    I’m not saying I agree with every decision that has come out of LFL under Disney. And sure, some of that things that have gone wrong can probably be put at Kennedy’s feet. I’m just saying there’s probably a lot more of the story we don’t know. As they say: you don’t want to see how the sausage is made.
     
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    she was not involved in any creative capacity on aNY of those films.. she was a glorified secretary
     
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    Executives wanted a PG rating, partly because they felt some of the scenes DID seem too graphic for very young viewers and didn't wish to hear parents later complain, but primarily because they felt that the G rating by this time was seen as "uncool" and a sort of box-office poison for a non-animated film.
     
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  19. Flying Spaghetti Monster

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    Charles Lippincott, the advertising publicity manager for Star Wars, related the fascinating story of the films PG rating to J. W. Rinzler's book, The Making of Star Wars:

    I had a kid about five years old sitting in front of me. And when Darth Vader appears on the bridge of the Princess' ship at the beginning and grabs the guy and chokes him, the kid began crying, and just really broke down. So I said to George, 'This film is a PG.' Well, a friend of mine was on the ratings board, and she was one of I think two females on the board, and she was one of the few who actually knew the film. She said the men were absolutely bored by it, a couple of them fell asleep, and they all voted it as a G movie. The only one who was concerned about it was a mother, the only other woman there, who felt it was a little too intense for kids. But all the guys dismissed her, so it came out with a G rating - you know, the worst thing we could possibly get. I said, 'This is not a G-Rating film.' So we went back to them for a PG. They had never had this done to them before by anybody, and they couldn't believe it. So the board reneged and gave it a PG because we wanted that.
     
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  20. Flying Spaghetti Monster

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    she was the executive producer only on every film she was involved with.. all those big hits. The role of executive producer is to oversee the work of the producer on behalf of the studio, the financiers or the or the distributors. The EP will ensure the films are completed on time, within budget, and agree to basic technical and artistic standards. all those great films she plastered her name on.. was made great by someone else.. nothing of what she did at all made them great. So citing those films is not really thinking about her job is now..it's totally different