Borg Nano Probes reviving the dead for up to 73 hrs.

[Kamen Rider Blade]

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Mortal_Coil_(episode)

I just watched this episode with my friend and I just realized the Federation wide implications that Seven's Nano Probes and it's ability to revive a person who has been dead for up to 73 hrs brings to UFP wide.

That technology could dramatically lower the actual death rate in many major incidents assuming the patients head is in tact and there's no serious trauma to the brain.

Her medical knowledge spread across the UFP plus mass production of a modified version of her Nano-Probes could change the course of StarFleet medical history and make death much harder to be permanent short of actually destroying a person's head or causing permanent brain tissue damage through some means.

Hopefully that piece of lore gets used in the future and we won't have to see so many StarFleet / UFP people die along with mass production of EMH / LMH's for everybody to carry around in their IFAK (Individual First Aid Kit).

 

[Doctor Bombay]

We probably won't though. It's too deus ex machina in the same way that McCoy conquering death with Khan's blood in STID.

 

[Markonian]

For the sake of drama, the Federation and other nations are a bit iffy on using the technology at their disposal at their fullest potential.

Otherwise, you could clone yourself and transfer your mind.
Or restore your body to a younger state by using an old transporter template when beaming.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

For the sake of drama, the Federation and other nations are a bit iffy on using the technology at their disposal at their fullest potential.

Otherwise, you could clone yourself and transfer your mind.
Or restore your body to a younger state by using an old transporter template when beaming.

But imagine if we did go that route.

Cloning one's self and modifying the genes of the clones body and transfering your mind into it.

The concept of Transgenderism would literally be obsolete/archaic since everybody can just be the person they want 100% biologically by going through that procedure.

Imagine literally modifying your transporter so that you can maintain the knowledge that you have with your memory engrams but have the body of your younger self.

A metaphorical technological fountain of youth and the implications that can bring.

And it's not like the Borg Nano-Probe tech that Seven used would make you invincible.

You'd still die instantaneously if they blew up your head with a particle weapon of sorts without any way of reviving you.

It just takes a more specific type of circumstance to permanently kill a person from the Federation. Which is the goal of all advancing medical technology.

That kind of tech should be embraced.

 

[Doctor Bombay]

Also keep in mind that phasers can instantly vaporize a la TOS groovy phaser effect.

Come back from that!

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Also keep in mind that phasers can instantly vaporize a la TOS groovy phaser effect.

Come back from that!

EXACTLY! If you get shot in the arm or even have limbs severed, as long as you're treated in a reasonable time, you can come back from that eventually. Even if you die of shock. You still have 73 hrs to recover the body and then revive it and then treat the wound on the missing limbs and grow regenerated limbs to attach or use cybernetic limbs.

That creates entire new avenues for drama's / situations.

Short of any of those instant vaporize the whole body or head gets smashed instantaneously, you have a new hostage / corpse rescue situtation.

 

[publiusr]

Also keep in mind that phasers can instantly vaporize a la TOS groovy phaser effect.

Come back from that!

I once thought the shot of Kirk going up in smoke in Undiscovered Country could only have ended if he was somehow transported at the same time as the distruptor shot--turns out it was a shape-shifter getting cooked.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I once thought the shot of Kirk going up in smoke in Undiscovered Country could only have ended if he was somehow transported at the same time as the distruptor shot--turns out it was a shape-shifter getting cooked.

Although we never see it, that's exactly how we're told Picard's death is faked in "Gambit"

 

[at Quark's]

The tech wouldn't get very far, it would be quickly suppressed by a temporary joint alliance between Section 31 (want their killed victims to stay dead and don't want their job made more difficult than it already is), and the F.A.C. (Federation Association of Coroners), who would be be out of a job, if the only cause of death would become an exploded head.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Once again, this is what we do in Michigan.

The tech wouldn't get very far, it would be quickly suppressed by a temporary joint alliance between Section 31 (want their killed victims to stay dead and don't want their job made more difficult than it already is), and the F.A.C. (Federation Association of Coroners), who would be be out of a job, if the only cause of death would become an exploded head.

You can still vaporize the person with a Phaser / Disruptor and leave nothing behind or lop off the head / explode the head.

There are still ways of killing the target that is absolutely final.

So no need for Section 31 to intervene.

 

[F. King Daniel]

The tech wouldn't get very far, it would be quickly suppressed by a temporary joint alliance between Section 31 (want their killed victims to stay dead and don't want their job made more difficult than it already is), and the F.A.C. (Federation Association of Coroners), who would be be out of a job, if the only cause of death would become an exploded head.

Okay wait a sec. If there's no money in the future and people work for free for the sheer pleasure of it... who wants to be a coroner in the 24th century?

 

[at Quark's]

You can still vaporize the person with a Phaser / Disruptor and leave nothing behind or lop off the head / explode the head.

There are still ways of killing the target that is absolutely final.

So no need for Section 31 to intervene.

Yes, there are still methods of killing a target that are absolutely final, but if they also want to do it surrepetitiously - which is usually section 31's way - they would have to kill in such a way that it both looks like an accident and cannot be reversed. Which eliminates a lot of killing options and may make it a lot harder.

Okay wait a sec. If there's no money in the future and people work for free for the sheer pleasure of it... who wants to be a coroner in the 24th century?

Perhaps, but I think some would still be needed - even if only in small numbers. Perhaps there is a Federation member species that doesn't mind doing this work ....

 

[matthunter]

As presented, the tech isn't THAT much of an improvement over what Fed tech can already do - it's just that Neelix was a bit past the reach of the Doctor's tech and not Seven's.

It might have saved Tasha, or given other options when Picard was dying in "Tapestry", but wouldn't save those shot with disruptors on full blast. Munoz in DS9's "The Ship" might have survived, but then Bashir probably threw himself into a cure for those anti-coagulent beams (which were ONLY a problem because Munoz was unlucky enough not to take a direct hit) right away.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Yes, there are still methods of killing a target that are absolutely final, but if they also want to do it surrepetitiously - which is usually section 31's way - they would have to kill in such a way that it both looks like an accident and cannot be reversed. Which eliminates a lot of killing options and may make it a lot harder.

Whoops, a giant cargo box just happened to fall on the head of some schmuck decapitating and crushing the head of that poor fellow. Don't mind the conspicuous person who was watching remotely.

 

[XCV330]

There will come a point in every civilization's path where they face the decision of how much life is too much. When is it ok to die? We're already facing those questions now. I think I'd carry a standing "Do not borgify" order

 

[at Quark's]

Whoops, a giant cargo box just happened to fall on the head of some schmuck decapitating and crushing the head of that poor fellow. Don't mind the conspicuous person who was watching remotely.

And after that has happened twice in a year, there probably will be an investigation, while it usually happens only twice every century, and only after a very exceptional cascade failure of systems, with all those security systems, pro-active measurement and alignment systems and auto-activated emergency force fields in place. I expect safety protocols to have become much more stringent by the 24th century, when compared to today.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

And after that has happened twice in a year, there probably will be an investigation, while it usually happens only twice every century, and only after a very exceptional cascade failure of systems, with all those security systems, pro-active measurement and alignment systems and auto-activated emergency force fields in place. I expect safety protocols to have become much more stringent by the 24th century, when compared to today.

And Yet Section 31 still manages to get in and implement those tricks / hack through. Look at how they are able to covertly Enter/Exit Julians quarter / DS9.

IRL, there are ALWAYS tons of security vulnerabilities that never get reported / that are out in the wild and those who are crafty will find ways to bypass any existing security systems to implement whatever trap / trick they want or perform whatever actions they want.

 

[at Quark's]

And Yet Section 31 still manages to get in and implement those tricks / hack through. Look at how they are able to covertly Enter/Exit Julians quarter / DS9.

IRL, there are ALWAYS tons of security vulnerabilities that never get reported / that are out in the wild and those who are crafty will find ways to bypass any existing security systems to implement whatever trap / trick they want or perform whatever actions they want.

I suppose it has to do with dramatic necessity. Logically, you would expect that with technology as perfected as theirs and all those stated safeguards, rarely anything would ever go wrong. The first "warp core breach" (I suppose it was that) in Contagion is presented as "a highly improbable series of events has to take place for such a result to occur", yet by the time of Voyager, a warp core breach was imminent in any pitched battle (perhaps I am overgeneralising here but you get the idea). Same with transporter malfunctions. With those quadruple redundant systems or whatever they are supposed to be incredibly rare, yet we see them on star trek shows with some regularity.

So I suppose it's no different in this case. Occurrences like these should be virtually non-existent, but we do see Worf paralised as a result of just that, in Ethics.

And yes, the crafty would always find ways around it as you say, but it still would seem very suspicious given all these (redundant) safety systems being in place.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

I suppose it has to do with dramatic necessity. Logically, you would expect that with technology as perfected as theirs and all those stated safeguards, rarely anything would ever go wrong. The first "warp core breach" (I suppose it was that) in Contagion is presented as "a highly improbable series of events has to take place for such a result to occur", yet by the time of Voyager, a warp core breach was imminent in any pitched battle (perhaps I am overgeneralising here but you get the idea). Same with transporter malfunctions. With those quadruple redundant systems or whatever they are supposed to be incredibly rare, yet we see them on star trek shows with some regularity.

So I suppose it's no different in this case. Occurrences like these should be virtually non-existent, but we do see Worf paralised as a result of just that, in Ethics.

And yes, the crafty would always find ways around it as you say, but it still would seem very suspicious given all these (redundant) safety systems being in place.

Have you seen the # of issues that should "Never Happen" or are virtually impossible in Aviation and what really occurs? Worse case scenarios do happen IMO. And testing for working in the heat of battle is INCREDIBLY hard.

 

[Danja]

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Mortal_Coil_(episode)

I just watched this episode with my friend and I just realized the Federation wide implications that Seven's Nano Probes and it's ability to revive a person who has been dead for up to 73 hrs brings to UFP wide.

That technology could dramatically lower the actual death rate in many major incidents assuming the patients head is in tact and there's no serious trauma to the brain.

Her medical knowledge spread across the UFP plus mass production of a modified version of her Nano-Probes could change the course of StarFleet medical history and make death much harder to be permanent short of actually destroying a person's head or causing permanent brain tissue damage through some means.

How long before the technology fall into the hands of the enemy? Do you REALLY want someone who is pure evil being kept alive indefinitely/