The Last Jedi - Actually Widely Hated?

[jaime]

I apologize if there was a miscommunication. Just making a point and perhaps it didn't land as well as I thought.



I grew up in the Midwest. I now live in Texas. I see a lot of cowboys and a lot of people who think they're cowboys. I'm not a fan. I hate Texas. Its hot. And I'm sick and tired of Texans being obsessed with the idea that its the greatest place on Earth. For some, it may be. For me, its far from it. I don't want to live here. My wife and I are both tired of it and trying to get out. I equate Texas with cowboys. I took it as an insult based upon the fact that it is listed in my location. It's a sore subject. I'm probably too sensitive about it.

It’s cool. I almost never look at peoples locations, unless I have been chatting a while and have guessed they might be from somewhere I know.
Everything I know about Texas I learned from movies. And we already established I hate westerns.

For the record I ain’t limping you in with the extreme fringe of Haters and Lovers of this film (or any other) I just find it odd how it provokes such strong emotion. I mean look at the thread title. *shrug*

 

[fireproof78]

Implying someone discussing Star Wars in a corner of a Star Trek board doesn’t understand suspension of disbelief? I mean it’s hardly a rininging endorsement of my assumed intelligence level.

Doesn't make you an idiot either.

The danger in these discussions is assumptions.

 

[Campe]

It’s cool. I almost never look at peoples locations, unless I have been chatting a while and have guessed they might be from somewhere I know.
Everything I know about Texas I learned from movies. And we already established I hate westerns.

There are good people in Texas. My father-in-law, for instance, has lived here his entire life. He's a good guy. Loves his daughter. A little too talky for my tastes, but that's neither here nor there. But, everything with him is Texas this, Texas that. He drinks Shiner beer and only Shiner beer (brewed in Shiner, TX). He talks about all the things that were created in Texas. He only reads books by Texas authors... about Texas. It just gets to be a little too much. And he's not alone in that.

For the record I ain’t limping you in with the extreme fringe of Haters and Lovers of this film (or any other) I just find it odd how it provokes such strong emotion. I mean look at the thread title. *shrug*

Why thank you!

And also for the record, I don't have a problem with criticism of anything I enjoy. And I've said it before and I'll say it again: What I do have a problem with is when people pull these bullshit things out of nowhere because they don't like the way things are going. I think there's too much of that these days in fandom. And it absolutely goes both ways. You're always going to have divided fandoms. This level of stuff? Its just too far.

But I do not lump you in that category either, @jaime .

 

[yotsuya]

The original trilogy has plenty of humor in it. A lot of with with the droids, but not only that. And Poe's communication ploy in the beginning of TLJ is a valid delaying tactic to distract. Poe pretending the connection was bad and that he couldn't make out what Hux was saying bought him time to get into position. It was not done for no reason. It was not done just for the laughs. If you really pay attention, it is part of the tension of that scene. If you drop the false sense of annoyance and just watch the film for what it is, you will find that each part plays very well and there are levels to it that come out the more you watch that make the story telling very rich. Or you can just decide you don't like it and move on. I've done that with a movie or two that I didn't like on the first viewing. Avatar and Pearl Harbor to name two. But I find RJ's work to be much more in keeping with the spirit of the OT than the PT or TFA could come close to.

 

[jaime]

The original trilogy has plenty of humor in it. A lot of with with the droids, but not only that. And Poe's communication ploy in the beginning of TLJ is a valid delaying tactic to distract. Poe pretending the connection was bad and that he couldn't make out what Hux was saying bought him time to get into position. It was not done for no reason. It was not done just for the laughs. If you really pay attention, it is part of the tension of that scene. If you drop the false sense of annoyance and just watch the film for what it is, you will find that each part plays very well and there are levels to it that come out the more you watch that make the story telling very rich. Or you can just decide you don't like it and move on. I've done that with a movie or two that I didn't like on the first viewing. Avatar and Pearl Harbor to name two. But I find RJ's work to be much more in keeping with the spirit of the OT than the PT or TFA could come close to.

It’s not false annoyance.
I went into a rewatch looking to like it more. (I already liked it more than I expected to...which is to say, at first viewing it wasn’t the wreck the discussions on the internet suggested, or the synopsis’s.) I was annoyed because instantly two things in the opening already weren’t working for me.

My argument isn’t that humour isn’t a part of Star Wars, but that it isn’t how you open your film. And in terms of the panto stylings, it’s not how humour is done in Star Wars, usually. The actors always play it straight. Now even the droids don’t play it straight (there’s a joke about every other minute in this opening.)

And more in keeping with the spirit than the PT?
Nope.
I get there people love to hate on those, but I don’t thing anyone objective would say they aren’t in the spirit of the OT, let alone that TLJ is more so. Rebels series one? Yeah. Maybe.
But the PT literally has Lucas doing his thing. He *is* the spirit of SW, love or hate him.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

I should remind everyone that in late August 2018 Rian was asked on twitter if he was still working on his "trilogy" and he answered then with "yup" followed by a fist bump. Yet .. he is saying in interviews that he might work on another film and that he is still waiting for Lucasfilm to figure out their game plan.

You guys will believe whatever crap Disney will give you!

 

[Professor Zoom]

I should remind everyone that in late August 2018 Rian was asked on twitter if he was still working on his "trilogy" and he answered then with "yup" followed by a fist bump. Yet .. he is saying in interviews that he might work on another film and that he is still waiting for Lucasfilm to figure out their game plan.

You guys will believe whatever crap Disney will give you!

I don't think Rian is going to get another Star Wars trilogy produced.

But, I could believe signed a deal with him to develop one and, why not? If he hits on something they really life, they can make it. If not, meh, they've spent a bit of money they can right off on their taxes.

What I don't believe if the amount of sturm and drang Rian's Star Wars movie stirs up in some fans. Like, go outside, read a book, go have coffee with a friend. Wouldn't that be a much more pleasant way to spend time than convincing people on the internet you're right?

 

[jaime]

I don't think Rian is going to get another Star Wars trilogy produced.

But, I could believe signed a deal with him to develop one and, why not? If he hits on something they really life, they can make it. If not, meh, they've spent a bit of money they can right off on their taxes.

What I don't believe if the amount of sturm and drang Rian's Star Wars movie stirs up in some fans. Like, go outside, read a book, go have coffee with a friend. Wouldn't that be a much more pleasant way to spend time than convincing people on the internet you're right?

Have you been outside? There’s like sun an shit. That gives you cancer.
At least Star Wars discussions on the Internet only gives you hyperbolic metaphorical disrespectful-to-actual-survivors-of-cancer cancer.

Which can be cured.

(Sorry. Watched a dead pool fanfilm 30 seconds ago. It’s not worn off yet.)

 

[fireproof78]

You guys will believe whatever crap Disney will give you

Nope.

 

[Campe]

I don't think Rian is going to get another Star Wars trilogy produced.

But, I could believe signed a deal with him to develop one and, why not? If he hits on something they really life, they can make it. If not, meh, they've spent a bit of money they can right off on their taxes.

What I don't believe if the amount of sturm and drang Rian's Star Wars movie stirs up in some fans. Like, go outside, read a book, go have coffee with a friend. Wouldn't that be a much more pleasant way to spend time than convincing people on the internet you're right?

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if the trilogy doesn't happen. But at the same time, I have no reason to believe it won't. And I have no reason to doubt the man who's closest to the process. Despite what certain TrekBBS posters might believe, filmmakers can work on multiple projects. Rian's Star Wars movies can be in a draft stage while he goes to work on other projects. He is a working writer/director and has the right to work on other projects. He probably doesn't want to be stuck doing nothing in between Knives Out and his Star Wars movies and he probably can't afford that either. I imagine there is a drop-dead date on this trilogy contract and that's it but there is no reason to believe its 100% dead at this point. I just don't know what anyone would gain by either leading Johnson along or lying to the public.

If all of these theories were true, and Disney bought into TLJ being the abject failure that some say it is. First, why would Disney string Johnson along? Second, why would Disney string the public along? Finally, why would they not immediately revamp Galaxy's Edge to include OT characters as opposed to ST characters? The Resistance ride that's not open yet would need some work, but with what they have now, it really wouldn't be that difficult. There's honestly no logic in these conspiracies.

But of course, what the fuck do I know? I'm just a naive shill for Disney.
Or is it Bad Robot?
Or maybe CBS?
I'm sorry. I honestly forgot who I'm a naive shill for this week.

 

[fireproof78]

First, why would Disney string Johnson along? Second, why would Disney string the public along?

This is the sticking point for me. It's a very poor business decision to string people along, especially in Hollywood. It's a small town and word gets around that you're not a good business partner.

And stringing along the public is almost as bad.

 

[Professor Zoom]

Nothing is ever really really SUPER really dead in Hollywood. Until someone actually dies.
Actually: the Song of the South reboot, that's actually dead.

 

[JD]

And even when people are dead they can still get new acting gigs. Looks at Rogue One and Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow.

yes, that's what I said.. telling us he is not doing his trilogy would grab more headlines than the garbage fire that is episode 9

Yes, but THEY WOULD NOT LIE ABOUT IT. If it really wasn't happening, they just wouldn't talk about it, until they made the official announcement.

Naive to think that there isn't a problem that just because you like the film and you like what the corporate conglomerate has done to the franchise that you can't see what is actually happening.

One movie not doing as well as the others does not mean the franchise is failing.

I should remind everyone that in late August 2018 Rian was asked on twitter if he was still working on his "trilogy" and he answered then with "yup" followed by a fist bump. Yet .. he is saying in interviews that he might work on another film and that he is still waiting for Lucasfilm to figure out their game plan.

You guys will believe whatever crap Disney will give you!

There is an entire trilogy between now and Johnson's trilogy, he has plenty of time to work at other stuff before it. Like Disney, if he was not going to do the trilogy any more he would not lie, he just wouldn't talk about it.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

An entire trilogy? One that comes out in three years, an then will wait every two years for each installment???/ Pls don't be naive.. That means Rian's trilogy on paper won't happen for 11 years.. but in reality is dead.. as dead as the Trank Boba Fett

 

[ScottJ85]

naive..

im very curious what you think this word means.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

In this case believing that STar Wars is ain a good place right now .. and believing Disney's spin tactics

 

[ScottJ85]

Worldwide gross of $1,332,539,889, 11th highest grossing film of all time and best selling blu-ray of 2018. Yeah sure, Star Wars is in a bad place right now yep you got it

 

[Campe]

Not to mention four TV series in the works for Disney+, the first of which has a budget of $10million an episode. But yeah, Disney’s going to dump a ton of cash into an abject failure that they have absolutely no faith in, because SPIN!

 

[ScottJ85]

As near as I can tell, in this context, naive means drawing reasonable conclusions from the information available and refusing to partake in baseless speculation.

 

[Campe]

Well, there’s also the lack of understanding of how business works. What is not being considered by a certain poster is that Disney has a fiduciary responsibility to its shareholders in order to make money not blindly spend money by stringing along content creators just to spin a perceived mistake. People may disagree with the direction Disney is taking Star Wars and that’s fine. But suggesting that because they don’t like the direction is going makes it an abject failure despite the box office of TLJ, putting money into the TV shows, the long lines at Galaxy’s Edge, the sold out Celebration Chicago, the heavy hits and likes on the various Star Wars trailers and videos on YouTube, anything that involves putting a lot of money into this franchise that is earning back the investment Disney made into Lucasfilm and Star Wars seven years ago?

That’s, to steal a term, pretty naive.