Good news, now If only Rosenbaum would join that would be great
Arrowverse's Crisis on Infinite Earths to be 5-Part Crossover
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Good news, now If only Rosenbaum would join that would be great
Maybe the further away the Earth is the more drastic the differences are. On Earth-8675309 the Flash could be a humanoid turtle.
Counterparts not being identical is easily explained. A different sperm fertilized the egg that created them. As for the identical looking non-counterparts. On our own Earth we have persons that look like each other but are from completely different families, so there's no reason why the same thing couldn't occur across universes.
What "rules"?
First time we see the multiverse there are hundreds of Earths and we're told there's an infinite number of them. Later we were told at least twice* not everyone has a counterpart on alternate Earths. We're also told alternate timelines splinter off new Earths. Then we're told there's only 52 (continuing a running gag with that number) and a split second later there's a 53rd one no one talks about mentioned. Same conversation claims all 53 Earths have a version of every one on them. Later we're shown an uninhabited Earth. Sherloque Wells is from Earth-221 and Shipp's Barry Allen is from Earth-90.
There are no rules. There's just a contradictory mess that changes to suite the story being told. And for Crisis on Infinite Earths they're embracing the idea of proper alternate versions of characters rather than the usual "have the same actor play them slightly different or have a slightly different haircut and costume" routine.
*Earth-38 no one on team Flash exists, Earth-3 Jay Garrick didn't have a child.
Tommy Tutone and the Terrific Whatzit.
That's not really the problem; the problem is also that they exist decades apart, and yet somehow end up having the same name, superpowers, costumed identity, relationships, etc. It beggars probability. I mean, it's not implausible that the Kryptons of different universes would explode at different times, what with variable geological forces within the planet and whatnot -- but it's a hell of a coincidence that in every universe, there happens to be a Jor-El alive at that point, he happens to have an infant son, and he happens to be testing a prototype rocket at the exact moment the planet's destruction begins. (Although I guess there could be universes where Jor-El hasn't been born yet when Krypton explodes or already died generations earlier, but we'd never hear about those universes because they'd have no Superman. Maybe Earth-1 is one of them.)
The rules that were consistently followed for the first several years -- that whenever we saw an alternate-world doppelganger of a person, they were played by the same actor. I'm not talking about how many universes they said there are, I'm talking about characters and their actors. The Earth-2 Barry, Joe, Zolomon, Laurel, etc., the various Harrisons Wells, the Earth-X villains, implicitly the returning 1990 Flash characters, Jay Garrick being explicitly established as an adopted version of Henry Allen with his name changed -- up to this point, we have never yet seen an alternate-world counterpart of an Earth-1 or Earth-38 character who was not played by the same actor (given that Barry of Earth-90 is implicitly another doppelganger of Henry and Jay). That is now going to change.
Yes, they have changed the rules of other things before, so I'm not surprised that they're changing this too, nor do I need it explained to me, nor am I condemning it (I don't personally care for the inconsistency, but they have every right to do it because it's their show). I am merely noting the fact that it is a change.
I imagine some type of explanation for why doppelgängers look different on some Earths. Whether or not it’s satisfying or not to all fans is highly unlikely.
I was also thinking of distance. How do you even measure distance in INFINITE Earths? Smallville had its own alternate Earth with Ultraman. Presumably those two Earths are closer to each other than the ones we have already seen on the Arrowverse shows. Farther the way the variations are different. Of that does not address why Kara’s Kryptonian Mother looks like Lois Lane of Earth in another universe, etc. Coincidence!!!
It’s common for complete strangers to have lookalikes. I imagine they will have some fun acknowledging the coincidences and move on with the story.
I am really interested how they are going to handle this many Supermen, etc. The comic book story only had a small number. Most of the destroyed Earths were not characters with much publishing history. Not tv shows or movies with their own fandoms. Hard to imagine they will use this nostalgia to revive these actors as characters... to permanently wipe out their whole existence!
I was also thinking of distance. How do you even measure distance in INFINITE Earths? Smallville had its own alternate Earth with Ultraman. Presumably those two Earths are closer to each other than the ones we have already seen on the Arrowverse shows. Farther the way the variations are different. Of that does not address why Kara’s Kryptonian Mother looks like Lois Lane of Earth in another universe, etc. Coincidence!!!
It’s common for complete strangers to have lookalikes. I imagine they will have some fun acknowledging the coincidences and move on with the story.
I am really interested how they are going to handle this many Supermen, etc. The comic book story only had a small number. Most of the destroyed Earths were not characters with much publishing history. Not tv shows or movies with their own fandoms. Hard to imagine they will use this nostalgia to revive these actors as characters... to permanently wipe out their whole existence!
Can't we all agree that Tom Welling being back as Clark is fracking awesome and leave it at that. I'm super late to the party and just saw the news and I'm pumped. Logic and reasoning and how it all works be damned.
That goes back to what started it all...Earth-1 and Earth-2 in the comics.
Doppelgangers of Earth-1 heroes very easily could exist on Earth-38 under different names or have not been where Barry was looking when he did his "Internet" search.
[QUOTEEarth-3 Jay Garrick didn't have a child.[/QUOTE]
Jay Garrick not having children doesn't mean Earth-3 doesn't have a Barry Allen.
I really don’t care why certain alternate universe versions look different. They can just ignore it and have Smallville Superman look at Supergirl Superman and say it’s like looking in a mirror. They already did a joke where Kara said that Ray Palmer looked just like her cousin. We don’t have to technobabble explain every single detail.
I can't agree with that, because I find Tom Welling a very mediocre actor who, judging from his work on Lucifer, has gotten even blander today than he was on Smallville.
On behalf of every Smallville fangirl, we’re going to have to ask you to leave until the sun explodes.
I agree. We are dealing with tv series change their own “rules of time travel” whenever it’s suits the plot. No reason to expect anything different with the “rules of the multiverse”. Hoping for logic or real science in the Arrowverse at this point is trying to get Blood from a Stone! There have been 7 years and 100s and 100s of episodes to learn they do not care about logic or consistency. It would be like going to the same restaurant for years and expecting them to change the menu even though it’s the same cooks and owners.
I wonder how Smallville Lois gets swept up in this. I'm going to guess by accident. Probably investigating an event related to the crisis. She's always getting into trouble that way.
If that was meant to be the Smallville Green Arrow we saw face down last year, then that Earth has already encountered the Monitor. Though they could just ignore that and just say he was from another universe where another Green Arrow created very similar costume.
If that was meant to be the Smallville Green Arrow we saw face down last year, then that Earth has already encountered the Monitor. Though they could just ignore that and just say he was from another universe where another Green Arrow created very similar costume.
Again, all I'm doing is stating that they are doing something they haven't done before. That is not surprise, it is not incomprehension, it is not condemnation. It is just description.
The Crisis engulfs entire universes. She doesn't have to go anywhere to get involved in it. It'll come to her.
I think those were meant to be the heroes of Earth-90. The Monitor was testing one universe at a time, and that universe failed the test.
It has been established previous to last year's crossover that there are 52 Earths. Then we had #90 with a different Barry Allen (one with Jay Garrick's face). It is possible to stay true to previously established doppleganger rules and add the addition that beyond the 52 Earths the rules change.
It's 52 that they like going to. There are others, but they don't talk about them.
"Fanpeople" is just awkward.
Fanatics doesn't work?
