Friday's Child Klingon scout ship
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It's so much better if we isolate ENT from TOS! That way we don't have to ask silly questions about Klingons and Romulans and their ships, ferishes and relationships! TOS told us all we needed to know about that era! 
JB
JB
Sure you can. Acquire the master negatives; procure a baseball bat; and strike repeatedly.
But that would be like destroying the Mona Lisa or blowing up the Coliseum, or even the Eiffel Tower surely?
It's just that good, Refern! JB
We fans expect events and stuff to line up 100%. CBS are fine with a very, very broad strokes approach to continuity.
Maybe something like Archer's adventures happened in the past of TOS, and maybe something like TOS happens in the future of ENT (although it probably looks much more like Disco), but anything more specific and it all falls apart.
Maybe something like Archer's adventures happened in the past of TOS, and maybe something like TOS happens in the future of ENT (although it probably looks much more like Disco), but anything more specific and it all falls apart.
But that would be like destroying the Mona Lisa...
That's okay, da Vinci painted several more. Only one problem. They all have the words "This is a fake!" written upon the underlying canvas...in felt tip.
A Sharpie?That's okay, da Vinci painted several more. Only one problem. They all have the words "This is a fake!" written upon the underlying canvas...in felt tip.
That's okay, da Vinci painted several more. Only one problem. They all have the words "This is a fake!" written upon the underlying canvas...in felt tip.
I think we are both fans of City of Death my friend!
JB
I think we are both fans of City of Death my friend!
JB
I figured (read: hoped) somebody would get the reference.
A scout ship is supported by the fake distress calls and hasty retreat, they weren't looking for a stand -up fight with a Constitution-class heavy cruiser and when deceit and guile(blocking the Enterprise) weren't enough, they ran like scalded targsThe Klingon ship was a Klingon warship according to Chekov and not a small scout-ship as Kras had told Kirk! But it's design was clearly not a D-7 and was more oddly shaped. I've always thought that the Klingons developed their better known designed vessels sometime before the events of Elaan of Troyius!
JB
...No Klingon battle cruiser would have wanted a fair fight with Kirk's ship, either - those always either attacked in threes, or then had sabotage, superweapons or other such trickery on their side if attempting a solo attack.
(The ship we saw in TOS-R could of course also have been the smaller D-7-shaped design, just like the BoPs come in a couple of sizes.
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Timo Saloniemi
(The ship we saw in TOS-R could of course also have been the smaller D-7-shaped design, just like the BoPs come in a couple of sizes.
)Timo Saloniemi
The only time in TOS that we saw the D7 in threes was when they were being used by Romulans. All other times the Klingons only used one ship.
(The ship we saw in TOS-R could of course also have been the smaller D-7-shaped design, just like the BoPs come in a couple of sizes.
There’s no evidence that D7s came in different sizes. Where are you getting that idea from? Or are you comparing the D7 to the K’T’inga, which is roughly the same size?
...And those were also the only times the ship type openly challenged an operational Constitution. Solo battle cruisers relied on the Starfleet ship having been crippled beforehand by Troyian saboteurs, stasis guns or the like, or then fled.
Why choose three for assured victory if one already was roughly on par? Yet all the ambushes involving this ship type also involve three of said.
Naah, I'm just saying that Klingons are the guys who believe in multiple sizes for a single shape.
Not that we could tell much about the "Friday's Child" ship based on the actual TOS-R visuals. It's a blurry shape not much better than the original TOS one, seen from an angle that would hide e.g. the total lack of a neck, or the presence of two.
Timo Saloniemi
Besides when the ships were used by Romulans, they only appeared in TOS two other times. That's not really enough evidence to conclude that D7's couldn't take on Constitution class ships in a one-on-one fight.
The visuals in TOS-R FC clearly show a D7, in contrast to Kras mentioning that his ship was a small scout.
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You can't prove that those things weren't part of the timeline all along. A classic predestination paradox.
Why not? The TOS and TAS fights with single D7s always ended in Kirk's triumph, once Klingon duplicity was out of the way. Indeed, the heroes expect to triumph, being surprised when Koloth's stasis gun defies this expectation, while the Klingons never do, not making a move unless a preliminary bombardment by foul trickery is a success.
Strictly statistically speaking, we couldn't say that shuttlecraft always manage to fly into the shuttlebay without bending fenders, even though on screen they indeed always do. But we don't need the strength of numbers when we have no indication our default assumption would be in need of contradicting. The heroes and villains have taken care of the statistics for us, their expert opinion being not to attack a prepared and undamaged Constitution with a single D7, while attacking in threes is expected to work in three episodes and one movie.
Nothing clear about those visuals, as this is the very best we get. Might be a shuttlecraft for all we care.
http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/2x11hd/fridayschildhd1253.jpg
Timo Saloniemi
And a neck and bulbous forward section, weapons that fired from the ends of the "wings." More similar to the TOS D-7 Klingon design than the TOS Romulan design seen in Balance of Terror.
A Klingon ship,
It's common knowledge that STIII began with Romulan baddies and a Romulan ship. It's also credited with the switch in personalities between Klingons and Romulans, these are the first time Klingons care about honour.
So? All that means is Kirk was a better captain than the Klingons. That has nothing to do with the technical aspects of Connies and D7s. From what I’ve seen, they seem to be on equal footing tech-wise, so there’s no reason to assume that one ship is inherently better than the other.
Looks like a D7 to me. Does it look like a D7 to anyone else who isn’t Timo?