Disco Writer used the N word in the writers room.

[The Doctor]

Yep. Leaving no fingerprints.

I enjoyed Disco far more that you did but there’s no argument here. Disco is not the product of an auteur with something to say, it’s a business decision in the form of a television show. This does not automatically disqualify Disco from being entertaining but it will hold it back from greatness.

Contrast with BSG: that show was birthed entirely as a money grab to capture the last fleeting gasp that the original held with fandom. However, they hired RDM fresh off a disappointing stint at VOY and the man had something to say. This doesn’t mean that BSG didn’t stumble but the end result is a product that is worth re watching.

I don’t think I’ll ever go back and watch any Disco episode a second time. It’s a one and done kind of show. This story of a HR complaint over a personal story exemplifies that Disco isn’t about anything except making more episodes of Disco.

 

[Rahul]

I enjoyed Disco far more that you did but there’s no argument here. Disco is not the product of an auteur with something to say, it’s a business decision in the form of a television show. This does not automatically disqualify Disco from being entertaining but it will hold it back from greatness.

Contrast with BSG: that show was birthed entirely as a money grab to capture the last fleeting gasp that the original held with fandom. However, they hired RDM fresh off a disappointing stint at VOY and the man had something to say. This doesn’t mean that BSG didn’t stumble but the end result is a product that is worth re watching.

I don’t think I’ll ever go back and watch any Disco episode a second time. It’s a one and done kind of show. This story of a HR complaint over a personal story exemplifies that Disco isn’t about anything except making more episodes of Disco.

I mostly agree with all you said.

I just think the "auteur theory" does not work in television. In the movie business, with a strong director at the helm? Maybe. At least for certain films. But a television series is the result of many, many people working together. BSG didn't had that strong an impression because RDM had something to say. It's because everyone involved took this series deep to their heart and wanted to say something with it! The same way that the originak "Star Trek" is very much Gene Rodenberry's baby, but in no way can he be named as an "auteur" of Star Trek - simply because the contributions of others (from Matt Jeffries to DC Fontana) in every single aspect of the show are too strong and important.

Sadly, this is the larger take-away, that the writers room of DIS isn't that much involved with the show. And that shows. It's not bad or anything, but it's IMO as soulless as a lot of other, recent famous property/IP's reboots - first and foremost to make money of the IP, less because someone actually wanted to use that IP.

 

[starsuperion]

I enjoyed Disco far more that you did but there’s no argument here. Disco is not the product of an auteur with something to say, it’s a business decision in the form of a television show. This does not automatically disqualify Disco from being entertaining but it will hold it back from greatness.

Contrast with BSG: that show was birthed entirely as a money grab to capture the last fleeting gasp that the original held with fandom. However, they hired RDM fresh off a disappointing stint at VOY and the man had something to say. This doesn’t mean that BSG didn’t stumble but the end result is a product that is worth re watching.

I don’t think I’ll ever go back and watch any Disco episode a second time. It’s a one and done kind of show. This story of a HR complaint over a personal story exemplifies that Disco isn’t about anything except making more episodes of Disco.

If its not political, relevant to a specific demo, and isn't woke, it won't get written as a DISCO episode. Bottom line, all writers should go through sensitivity training, and curb their intellectual creativity, and conform to the PC ideology being driven, because coming up with a good story is secondary to the message, and limited direction that the series must remain on. Continuity is no longer a concern, not that it was Really originally. Now they are free of canon to write, but the other stipulations that limit creativity still must be adhered to. Can't write a strong male leading role, because thats forbidden. All female roles must be over the top, and show up the male counterpart at every turn. ( To include being killed off by an asteroid in mid toxic male speak sentence) Toxic masculinity must be displayed and also shamed for it within the character's world. CGI must be at movie level. Lots of explosions. Action, and minimal story that is coherent. Season wide arcs must conclude with lots of plot holes. Subvert expectations at any opportunity, take a cue from Rian Johnson, he's got a billion dollar hit, regardless of the "so called" tiny vocal minority.
Remember while in the writers room, you must be watched and speech (regardless of intent) will be scrutinized at all times. Write on...

 

[Noname Given]

STD is nothing but corporate product. Stamped piece-work.

Yeah...

(But don't let that stop the 'hate' flowing through you.)

 

[starsuperion]

Yeah...

(But don't let that stop the 'hate' flowing through you.)

Good job. I expect your well planned reply to trigger someone will come true soon.

 

[Tuskin38]

Can't write a strong male leading role, because thats forbidden.

Uhh, Pike in Season 2? Saru? Stamets?
Do you even watch the show you complain about?

 

[The Doctor]

If its not political, relevant to a specific demo, and isn't woke, it won't get written as a DISCO episode. Bottom line, all writers should go through sensitivity training, and curb their intellectual creativity, and conform to the PC ideology being driven, because coming up with a good story is secondary to the message, and limited direction that the series must remain on. Continuity is no longer a concern, not that it was Really originally. Now they are free of canon to write, but the other stipulations that limit creativity still must be adhered to. Can't write a strong male leading role, because thats forbidden. All female roles must be over the top, and show up the male counterpart at every turn. ( To include being killed off by an asteroid in mid toxic male speak sentence) Toxic masculinity must be displayed and also shamed for it within the character's world. CGI must be at movie level. Lots of explosions. Action, and minimal story that is coherent. Season wide arcs must conclude with lots of plot holes. Subvert expectations at any opportunity, take a cue from Rian Johnson, he's got a billion dollar hit, regardless of the "so called" tiny vocal minority.
Remember while in the writers room, you must be watched and speech (regardless of intent) will be scrutinized at all times. Write on...

So there was a point to what I posted. Your reply has nothing to do with that point and appears to be an agreement with someone who isn't me.

 

[DaveyNY]

So there was a point to what I posted. Your reply has nothing to do with that point and appears to be an agreement with someone who isn't me.

The point is that it is apparently fun to spend ones time writing very long, completely derogatory posts about a show that one really hates, when one has nothing better to do with ones time.

 

[Tuskin38]

The point is that it is apparently fun to spend ones time writing very long, derogatory posts about a show that one hates when one has nothing better to do.

And a show that they have very clearly never watched thoroughly.

 

[DaveyNY]

And a show that they have very clearly never watched thoroughly.

Well, I guess one can't take the chance of having even a glimmer of enjoyment when one is hitching a ride on the hate bandwagon.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

Uhh, Pike in Season 2? Saru? Stamets?
Do you even watch the show you complain about?

I was going to say something like this. Thanks for doing it for me!

Stamets is arguably at least as emotionally strong (maybe stronger) than Burnham, and Saru certainly is. Stamets may have had some emotional issues for a little while with losing his husband, but he did stay strong enough to be a functioning officer. He's a pretty strong male character.

Saru seems to have had his biological response to fear reduced by the end of season 2, but even before that he was strong enough to move forward in spite of that biological response. Like they say, "courage is not the absence of fear but the willingness to face it."

Burnham, on the other hand, seems to be emotionally closed off and doesn't let people in, which sometimes manifests itself as Burnham feeling that only she has the ability to solve a problem and must often do it alone (which is a weakness of her character). This is intentional by the writers, because Spock mentioned this character weakness to her in some episode (I can't remember which) when he told her that she did not need to carry her burdens on her shoulders alone.

But Burnham being the main character would be the one in which the writers would intentionally include some character flaws. In today's TV dramas, it's often all about exploring the character flaws of the leads, giving the leads something to work through as a series progresses.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Good job. I expect your well planned reply to trigger someone will come true soon.

Infraction for trolling. Comments to PM. You know the drill.

 

[saladdays]

What was this thread about, again?

 

[Rahul]

People unable to talk to each other like grown-up adults. Instead people using multi-billion dollar companies' useless zero-tolerance policies to punish victims of racism for talking about racism. Somehow "libruuuls" at fault for that.

 

[gblews]

I enjoyed Disco far more that you did but there’s no argument here. Disco is not the product of an auteur with something to say, it’s a business decision in the form of a television show. This does not automatically disqualify Disco from being entertaining but it will hold it back from greatness.

Contrast with BSG: that show was birthed entirely as a money grab to capture the last fleeting gasp that the original held with fandom. However, they hired RDM fresh off a disappointing stint at VOY and the man had something to say. This doesn’t mean that BSG didn’t stumble but the end result is a product that is worth re watching.

I don’t think I’ll ever go back and watch any Disco episode a second time. It’s a one and done kind of show. This story of a HR complaint over a personal story exemplifies that Disco isn’t about anything except making more episodes of Disco.

Not for me. I'm in the middle of a re-watch of season 2 and am enjoying it immensely (again).

 

[Guy Gardener]

I saw something recently.

Like a murder board (On Castle), a computer was listening and "voice to text" putting ideas on a smart glass white board at the front of the room, for brainstorming and story sourcing.

Is it possible that the "complaint" came from literally "the room" itself, becuase there are a few words that are flagged by power-point, and trigger automatic action from HR?

 

[Jayson1]

I saw something recently.

Like a murder board (On Castle), a computer was listening and "voice to text" putting ideas on a smart glass white board at the front of the room, for brainstorming and story sourcing.

Is it possible that the "complaint" came from literally "the room" itself, becuase there are a few words that are flagged by power-point, and trigger automatic action from HR.

Which is a even more scary idea. Heck you could just have old style cameras for security or plan ole spies. You know that is the next step in world that embraces censorship. People who can root out anyone that might impact profits. Might already be happening in corporate settings. Jason

 

[Guy Gardener]

Keystroke logging.

Its not enough that they know what you write, but they want to see what you thought you could get away with writing, and them on further contemplation, decided that you had a bad idea that needed to be buried forever, or you know, you're an industrial spy.

 

[Jayson1]

I had never even heard of that. With the computer stuff I just assumed it would tracking or recovering old tweets or emails or even pics. Almost got James Gunn with a sexy Halloween pics I think it was. We know yearbooks are fair game. Soon report cards will be fair game. Only a c in their gender studies class. Oviously a bad person. Want to have a opinon on science,government etc lets see those scores. Think abortion should be legal! Well we found this quack doctor that says no. Before you answer were is your medical degree! Jason

 

[Guy Gardener]

With the current load of baboons in charge, the lower your mark in gender studies, the more attractive you are as a hire.