Disco Writer used the N word in the writers room.

[TREK_GOD_1]

He has a right to use it at his home, in public, and in his writing. He does NOT have a right to use it in the office/workplace.

Who are you to say that about a black man discussing his personal experience with racism? That is his right--and its not to be controlled, shackled or modified by those with no understanding of his plight to apply their "we know best" white liberal paternalism to his life. That is--once again--a form of control over his life, identity and freedom to express that. Those who think they know better / define offensive action/behavior/language wherr black people are concerned are almist always in no position to do so. His story was just that--his story, which is not up for control or overreaction from those in the Ivory Seat of Culturally Sanctioned Thought.

Also we have no idea who turned him in and it does not matter. Also a black person can't define what anyone else finds offensive either. That would be, to use YOUR word, arrogant as well.

Posted like one who is completey divorced from the historical, ethical, and personal right of the black American and his struggle informing his reality, including his basic right to express his experiences.

 

[Mudd]

So your saying a writer of his caliber can’t tell a story without using slurs? He wasn’t silenced either. He quit. He took his ball and went home.

Again, not feelin' it here. Who knows, maybe somebody comes forward with another version of the story that makes sense, but so far I'm on Team Mosley.

 

[Mudd]

So, maybe they just didn't the chance of some sort of repeat situation - thus they went to HR.

So, they were afraid that the new showrunners would imitate the behavior that got the two hacks in charge fired last year?* That's really stretching for a plausible explanation.


*Yeah, check out their post-STD careers.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Personally I think it boils down to liberal patronisation which as a person of colour I find vehemently racist. Probably some young writer so full of liberal smug, that they thought they were being some sort of saviour to black people by telling a black man he can't use the n word. I don't think the whole writers room is the issue here, I'm sure there were plenty of writers in that room who valued Moseley. I also don't blame H.R, they're just doing their jobs. They received a complaint and had to act. Moseley himself says they weren't disciplining him. I can completely understand however his decision to not work in an environment were he couldn't express himself within reason.

 

[Mudd]

ey. I also don't blame H.R, they're just doing their jobs. They received a complaint and had to act. Moseley himself says they weren't disciplining him.

Granted.

it is also true that when someone goes to HR with a thing like this, they have reason to expect the possibility that an employment action will be taken against the person they're reporting on. Unless they're literally dimwitted, that has to be a consideration in their mind.

Let's ponder that.

 

[Guy Gardener]

How do you prove a false complaint?

Yes Walter said it, but were the complainants offended?

You would think that if you are trying to manipulate HR, that HR would have some kick back to make your life a little "vagranty".

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Granted.

it is also true that when someone goes to HR with a thing like this, they have reason to expect the possibility that an employment action will be taken against the person they're reporting on. Unless they're literally dimwitted, that has to be a consideration in their mind.

Let's ponder that.

True. Writers rooms can be a hot bed of egos. It definitely isn't out of the realm of possibility that someone might have been threatened by Mosely's experience and skill. Having read Moseley's Op-Ed the accusation came as a surprise to him, so it would seem that the whoever did have an issue with Moseley, they hid it well

Here's a link to the op-ed if anyone wants to read:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/06/opinion/sunday/walter-mosley.html

 

[Destructor]

Again, not feelin' it here. Who knows, maybe somebody comes forward with another version of the story that makes sense, but so far I'm on Team Mosley.

I am too. for two reasons:
1. Writer's rooms should be safe spaces to talk about real things. If you can't handle that, YOU should get out, not complain about the writer that's saying things that you can't handle. You're not a writer, you're a baby.
2. I read the op-ed before I knew it was DISCO. Star Trek writers in particular should be aware of context, history and purpose. I do not want to watch Star Trek written by someone who is afraid of words. I hope the person who dobbed him in quits in shame and finds another line of work.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

I found that use interesting too, especially given LA isn't exactly known for being Irish. To the point of:
https://www.laweekly.com/why-do-the-irish-have-virtually-no-presence-in-los-angeles/

A bit of googling today came up with some hits that suggests that 'paddy' may be a lesser known pejorative for 'white' in Black Vernacular English. People should find those links with a similar search.

I think this just maked it more problematic. Whether referring to thr Irish or all Caucasians, it's still an ethnic slur. The article is correct. I grew up on LA. Some Irishmen, like Mullholland and Doheny, had a huge impact on the city, there are no Irish neighborhoods.

So what did the policeman mean by using the word? It's either gibberish, or he was using the word typical of African Americans.

I see two possibilities, although I don't think either is significantly more likely than the other: the policeman was himself African American, or Mosley himself inserted the anti-Irish slur into his story.

 

[Lakenheath 72]

What I get from this - the person offended bypassed the normal process of dealing with this issue by skipping two steps. The first step, talk to the person who offended the offendee. The second step, escalate the matter to a manager if there is no resolution. Then, finally, if no resolution, talk to HR.

Why did the offendee not talk to Mosley?

I am not choosing sides in this matter.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Anyone else getting How I Met Your Mother PTSD anytime someone types "Mosley"?

 

[Lord Garth]

I am not choosing sides in this matter.

Likewise. I think complaining to HR was stupid and HR thinking this was cause to speak to Mosley at all was stupid. But I stand by the idea that whoever the other writer was wouldn't have complained to HR unless they were trying to get Mosley on some type of technicality. And why would someone do that? There either had to be some friction we're not being told about or the writer who complained was super-sensitive. There's no way to know which one it was or which one it was more of.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Imdb has moseley as a producer on Snowfall.

He took at least one step down to work on Discovery.

 

[Lord Garth]

Tell a black man he has to stop saying that word.

Try it.

Did you read my post? I said I thought what HR did was stupid. And the writer complaining was stupid.

Don't twist my post into something you know it's not.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Did you read my post? I said I thought what HR did was stupid. And the writer complaining was stupid.

Don't twist my post into something you know it's not.

Misread it or I was answering a different post. No idea what happened. Sorry.

 

[KennyB]

Who are you to say that about a black man discussing his personal experience with racism? That is his right--and its not to be controlled, shackled or modified by those with no understanding of his plight to apply their "we know best" white liberal paternalism to his life. That is--once again--a form of control over his life, identity and freedom to express that.

You just don't get the difference between his time and company time/property do you? Away from the office he can say and do whatever he likes. If I relay a story where I heard a cop use the N word and I tell the story at work pronouncing if fully with the hard R at the end should I be fired?

Also it's not ME it is company policy.

 

[Lord Garth]

Misread it or I was answering a different post. No idea what happened. Sorry.

No worries.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I was supposed to reply to Lakenheath.

What I get from this - the person offended bypassed the normal process of dealing with this issue by skipping two steps. The first step, talk to the person who offended the offendee. The second step, escalate the matter to a manager if there is no resolution. Then, finally, if no resolution, talk to HR.

Why did the offendee not talk to Mosley?

I am not choosing sides in this matter.

It's difficult to confront a person you are so afraid of that you should contact HR.

 

[Jayson1]

You just don't get the difference between his time and company time/property do you? Away from the office he can say and do whatever he likes. If I relay a story where I heard a cop use the N word and I tell the story at work pronouncing if fully with the hard R at the end should I be fired?

Also it's not ME it is company policy.

Which is why some rules should be guidlines and not stuff set in stone. Especially when it comes to things that aren't illegal. Jason

 

[Lakenheath 72]

It may be difficult, but it is the process. Follow the process.