Episode IX Speculation and Discussion

[Qonundrum]

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Nice clips montage 5that make a new context separate from the whole series.

Can the muzak be any LOUDER AND BOMBASTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?

Is Rey mimicking how Luke wore all-black-with-hoodie in ROTJ? There's no way she's gone bad just so Kylo can turn good... then again, if Leia is sidelined until the end where we see her looking up with satisfied happy relief or whatever then anything positive is possible... then again, she's not looking across the same desert quarry the rest of the rebel resistance are, but what the movie shows isn't the same as what the teasrer hints at or else the first thing I'd do is bring up that Simpsons episode where they film in Springfield but leave early and tie in uncoordinated film scenes in an unconvincing way.

Is Vader's laugh part of a dream sequence? It's not a patch on the Emperor chuckling.

Has C3PO become a raging alcoholic? Self-destruct mode activated? a call back to Spaceball's Dot Matrix android with her Virgin Alarm(tm)? Or are the red eyes replacing his formerly red arm that was left unexplained where it needed to be explained (the movie, casuals aren't going to rummage through every comic book, direct to video, or audiobook to find out about one detail given emphasis)?

Or is it nothing more than style over substance, 2015 deja vu?

I'm actually intrigued enough, but having read that another new character is coming in that pretty much has 90% of DJ's attributes (did Benicio Del Toro not want to return? He's one of the cool aspects about TLJ)...

 

[JD]

For those who haven't watched Clone Wars and Rebels, this isn't the first folding doublesaber in canon.

Jedi Master Pong Krell had two in Clone Wars

And the Grand Inquisitor from Rebels, back when he was a Jedi Temple Guard, had one.

She grew up using a staff to defend herself on Jakku, it makes sense she would use a saberstaff.

I've watch both, and I completely forgot about the folding sabers.

 

[Qonundrum]

Or The Last Jedi which also implied that Rey might go to the Dark Side but ultimately didn't. The moment is deliberately presented to provoke fans with a misleading image. And I love it for that quality.

Rian Johnson preferring to troll the audience with throwaways - subverting expectations and misleading can be very good if done right and with some depth (TWOK being an example, even if it created other plot problems as a result), but not so often as to miss out some big and legitimate opportunities to tell a really engaging story arc, which the ST has clearly floundered on - how many mystery box tropes are necessary. (And, per a previous video I put up months ago, it's still true Rian had virtually nothing to work with.) It would have been more interesting if she had turned. To do it now so that the last Skywalker (which, for the moment, is Kylo) would just be a real laugh and not because all these Skywalkers going bad then good got boring and repetitive after Vader tipped his helmet. Would people really believe Rey going bad now - after a missed opportunity? Or Kylo turning good - which would just be lame and empty unless they really put thought into it, but it's a wait and see.

 

[KennyB]

Nothing is ever canon....until it IS. That being said I think it’s just a vision.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I'm gonna be different and withhold judgment on whether something is good or bad, and on whether it happens at all for that matter, until after I've seen the movie.

 

[KennyB]

I'm gonna be different and withhold judgment on whether something is good or bad, and on whether it happens at all for that matter, until after I've seen the movie.

THIS!!!!!!!

 

[The Nth Doctor]

I'm gonna be different and withhold judgment on whether something is good or bad, and on whether it happens at all for that matter, until after I've seen the movie.

How dare you not prejudge this film with all your expectations and disappointments?!?! And you call yourself a FAN!

 

[Saul]

But why is a double lightsaber in her vision?

Because it's cool?

Thank you for your reply Mr. Abrams.

She grew up using a staff to defend herself on Jakku, it makes sense she would use a saberstaff.

Yes, but if it's just a vision of her using a double bladed red saber when she usually uses a single blue then it wouldn't really make sense.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

The source is a Tweet from Story Group member Pablo Hidalgo.

He stated that you cannot transfer Midichlorians through a blood transfusion, that no stories exploring the idea of trying to clone a Force-sensitive person have been proposed, and that he does not see a way that such a story would work within the boundaries of what has been established in the Canon to date about the Force and how Force Sensitivity works.

When you add those statements up, they equal a declaration that cloning a Force-sensitive person is not possible within the boundaries and established lore of current Star Wars Canon.

The good thing is Midichlorians seem to have been forgotten in the new films, and if JJ or Kathleen Kennedy or whomever else want Rey to be a clone, Rey will be a clone. You ascribe far too much power to this Pablo Picasso guy.

 

[DigificWriter]

The good thing is Midichlorians seem to have been forgotten in the new films, and if JJ or Kathleen Kennedy or whomever else want Rey to be a clone, Rey will be a clone. You ascribe far too much power to this Pablo Picasso guy.

This is a false statement.

 

[fireproof78]

I'm gonna be different and withhold judgment on whether something is good or bad, and on whether it happens at all for that matter, until after I've seen the movie.

I think I'll join you.

Thank you for your reply Mr. Abrams.

Because Star Wars never had double bladed lightsabers before Abrams?

 

[Tuskin38]

This is a false statement.

This statement is an opinion.

Yes, but if it's just a vision of her using a double bladed red saber when she usually uses a single blue then it wouldn't really make sense.

I don't see why it doesn't make sense.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

This is a false statement.

If someone worked for me and I said "Hey, for the purposes of the story, I'm going to change this one element of canon", and they said "NEVER!! I forbid it!", that person would be in the unemployment line the following hour. This mythical Story Group you're always on about isn't some sacred covent that no one can cross. It's part of LucasFilm, and she in charge of LucasFilm tells them what to do. Not the other way around.

END OF LINE, MAN.

 

[Campe]

If someone worked for me and I said "Hey, for the purposes of the story, I'm going to change this one element of canon", and they said "NEVER!! I forbid it!", that person would be in the unemployment line the following hour. This mythical Story Group you're always on about isn't some sacred covent that no one can cross. It's part of LucasFilm, and she in charge of LucasFilm tells them what to do. Not the other way around.

END OF LINE, MAN.

Not to mention that it could be entirely possible that Hidalgo is trying to deflect. Can’t release information like that until it’s time and if Rey was a clone or had a clone, that would be a pretty big plot twist you don’t want to really Telegraph. The shot in the sizzle reel was bad enough. Couple that with the idea that Pablo lets a little cat out of the bag about clones being Force sensitive?

Granted I don’t think the story is going to go this way. But I’m not going to dismiss it completely out of hand.

 

[DigificWriter]

Not to mention that it could be entirely possible that Hidalgo is trying to deflect. Can’t release information like that until it’s time and if Rey was a clone or had a clone, that would be a pretty big plot twist you don’t want to really Telegraph. The shot in the sizzle reel was bad enough. Couple that with the idea that Pablo lets a little cat out of the bag about clones being Force sensitive?

Granted I don’t think the story is going to go this way. But I’m not going to dismiss it completely out of hand.

I know from personal experience that members of the Lucasfilm Story Group will not answer a question at all if doing so would in any way be spoilery, so the very fact that Pablo commented says as much as the specific answer he gave.

 

[KennyB]

I know from personal experience that members of the Lucasfilm Story Group will not answer a question at all if doing so would in any way be spoilery, so the very fact that Pablo commented says as much as the specific answer he gave.

When did Pablo make this statement on the topic?

 

[DigificWriter]

When did Pablo make this statement on the topic?

To clarify what I meant, I'll give you a specific example:
A couple of years ago, I was at a convention panel featuring Lucasfilm Story Group member Matt Martin, and another member of the audience asked a fairly broad and non-specific question pertaining to the Sequel Trilogy and its relationship to other already-existing aspects of the SW narrative. Matt could have answered the question because it was fairly broad and non-specific, but rather than even bothering to give some vague platitude-type answer, he simply passed the question on to another panelist.

I've also seen Pablo do something similar.

 

[saddestmoon]

https://www.inverse.com/article/58434-star-wars-rise-of-skywalker-rumors-theories-rey-origins-clone
^^^
Here's an article from Inverse, which looks at Pablo's tweets, on the subject of force powers being passed on through blood, bio-engineering, etc.

His second tweet, in response to Graf von Geiger's question (about whether it's possible to engineer force-users), is more open-ended: He basically says, 'well I have a hard-time imagining...' rather than a definitive 'No'.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ Yes, part of Pablo's answer was opinion-tinged, but because he is directly responsible for overseeing and helping to shape the course of current SW Canon as a member of the Lucasfilm Story Group, it still carries the weight of finality.

 

[Saul]

Because Star Wars never had double bladed lightsabers before Abrams?

I didn't say that, did i?
I'm talking about the context of the vision and why would Rey have a vision of a double bladed red lightsaber.
So i'm inclined to think its not a vision but actually real.