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Unfortunate implications of Star Trek IV, or: an un-recognised way that Kirk is a massive jerk.

Even if Kirk had thought to warn the authorities on 1986 Earth about the Eugenics Wars and World War III, that doesn't mean anybody would actually believe him. Gillian didn't believe Kirk's story until she actually saw the BoP's cloaking device in action, and that was about something far more innocuous than wars with world-changing consequences, so even if Kirk had any thought of forewarning any relevant authorities (and wasn't immediately talked out of it by Spock or McCoy), he'd probably realize they'd just give him a one-way ticket to the nearest mental hospital.
 
Even if Kirk had thought to warn the authorities on 1986 Earth about the Eugenics Wars and World War III, that doesn't mean anybody would actually believe him. Gillian didn't believe Kirk's story until she actually saw the BoP's cloaking device in action, and that was about something far more innocuous than wars with world-changing consequences, so even if Kirk had any thought of forewarning any relevant authorities (and wasn't immediately talked out of it by Spock or McCoy), he'd probably realize they'd just give him a one-way ticket to the nearest mental hospital.

And he would be broken out with Barclay.
 
We know no such thing. By all appearances, it IS the same timeline.

That's the most likely route, yeah.

You can't prove it ISN'T a predestination paradox, anyway.

It seems a little crazy to assume time travel will be a predestination paradox without any supporting evidence...
 
It seems a little crazy to assume time travel will be a predestination paradox without any supporting evidence...

All time travel is, by definition, crazy.

And as I said, there is no evidence that the timeline they returned to is not the same one they left. It looks the same, anyway. Where's the proof that there is any difference?
 
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How long did we see it for? Ten minutes? How would we have any way to tell whether there were any differences?
 
Gillian? I mourn for poor Bob, who probably got the gas chamber after she disappeared. Sure plenty of folks saw that fight where she slaps the shit out of him. :lol:
It was before business hours when she slapped him. Anyway everyone knew she was obsessed with the whales. I'm sure everyone assumed she ran off into ocean on a rubber raft looking for them.
 
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It would only a be predestination paradox if while they were back in 1986, Kirk killed all the whales, who might have survived, or their children's children's children survived until the 23rd century.

We saw a window break in starfleet command before Kirk went into the past. At he end of the movie, we saw that the window was broken by the Bird of Prey returning to 2386.

America is fine in 1996 (Voy:futures end) and in 2001 (Ent:Carpenter Street).
 
It was before business hours when the slapped him. Anyway everyone knew she was obsessed with the whales. I'm sure everyone assumed she ran off into ocean on a rubber raft looking for them.
it was just outside the main entrance so cctv (did they have cctv in 86? I guess so) would've shown SF police the incident as they investigated gillians disappearance leading to some very awkward questions for bob :lol:
 
Gillian? I mourn for poor Bob, who probably got the gas chamber after she disappeared. Sure plenty of folks saw that fight where she slaps the shit out of him. :lol:
Circumstantial evidence at best. All it proves is that Gillian and Bob didn't get along.

Besides, police don't care about motive. They care about physical evidence linking a person to a crime. I doubt that Bob ever visited Gillian at her apartment or left any fingerprints there. They weren't that tight, despite Bob saying "I know you too well."

The police would find Gillian's abandoned truck in the park but no evidence beyond that, and probably just assume that she was the victim of a carjacking or a kidnapping. The case would stay open, but no new evidence would ever present itself. She'd be just another woman in San Francisco who disappeared without any explanation, like that Amy Robbins woman in 1979.
 
Circumstantial evidence at best. All it proves is that Gillian and Bob didn't get along.

Besides, police don't care about motive. They care about physical evidence linking a person to a crime. I doubt that Bob ever visited Gillian at her apartment or left any fingerprints there. They weren't that tight, despite Bob saying "I know you too well."

The police would find Gillian's abandoned truck in the park but no evidence beyond that, and probably just assume that she was the victim of a carjacking or a kidnapping. The case would stay open, but no new evidence would ever present itself. She'd be just another woman in San Francisco who disappeared without any explanation, like that Amy Robbins woman in 1979.

Really wasn’t meant to be taken seriously. :p
 
I'm sure the risk of taking Taylor and two whales out of their native time was worth saving the Earth from destruction in the 23rd century. And apparently Taylor, George and Gracie did absolutely nothing of importance in their native time that anything would have changed in the future.

And as for the Eugenics Wars, since TWOK, the people in charge of Star Trek have pretty much severely downplayed the effects of it to the point that it seems to now be a secret war that nobody actually knew even occurred ;)
 
it was just outside the main entrance so cctv (did they have cctv in 86? I guess so) would've shown SF police the incident as they investigated gillians disappearance leading to some very awkward questions for bob :lol:
BZZZT. Wrong. She slapped him just inside the building from the outdoor whale tank (photo). But thanks for being on the show!
 
Was the temporal prime directive a thing in Kirk’s era? I would think so given the Enterprise and/or her crew had time travelled before the IV. Maybe he was trying to follow the directive as best he could given the circumstances.
 
Everyone remember when Kirk was going to leave Gillian Taylor in 1986? This may have been talked about before, but I'm rewatching The Voyage home and thinking about it just made my jaw drop. I'd like to explore the implications of it with two scenarios. All the facts I'm presenting are taken from Memory Alpha.

First scenario:
Kirk knew about the rise of Khan in 1992 and the eugenics wars. Maybe it was like the real world conflict in the middle east with groups like ISIS, but also encompassing India and China with militant groups actually succeeding in forming new nation states with social darwinism instead of religion as the primary driver. Whatever the case, thirty million people died in that conflict in the Trek universe, which may have included people in western countries.

Second scenario:
Kirk knew about World War III. Catherine Hicks, the actress who played Gillian is 67 years old as of 2019. That means she was 34 in 1986. For the sake of argument, let's assume Dr. Taylor was also 34 in The Voyage Home. In the Trek universe, the third world war started in 2026, ended in 2053, involved nuclear weapons, and had a death toll of 600 million people. I will restate: Kirk would have had some basic knowledge of this. Assuming Gillian was still alive at the ripe old age of 74 and wasn't vaporized in a nuclear exchange in those 27 years of war, she and her family including any children and grandchildren she might have had, would likely have died a slow painful death from radiation poisoning, living long enough to see the utter collapse of humanity and the glorious age of the post-atomic horror. She wouldn't have lived long enough to see the light at the end of the tunnel with Zefram Cochrane's warp drive and the arrival of the Vulcans.

And Kirk was happy to let Gillian live through those events. What in the goddamn.

This is the kind of thing that happens when you build a fictional world up to be so large with such a detailed history, and just have too much history built in so that everyone who writes stories for it can't possibly keep track of everything in that world. It relies on the audience not knowing all the history and details so that they can buy into each self-contained story and enjoy it for what it is. Sometimes it really hurts my brain to be a nerd.

This is inventive. I'll give you that.

But everyone in the 21st Century -- the real one or the fictional one -- knows the world sucks and will keep getting worse until people do something about it.
 
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George and Gracie would have been murdered by that whaling boat.

They had no future.

They were safe to take.-

The fate of the whaling ship however?

Their revenue fell short, which might have lead to bankruptcy, and a dip in the market.
 
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