The absurd part is now they're just retreading stories already told: how the Executor was built (again), how they found out about Death Star 2 (again), how the Rebellion was formed (again, just after the Force Unleashed games covered the same ground), etc. Even the sequel trilogy is a rehash of an already terrible storyline from the EU where Han and Leia's son (only difference is his name was Jacen instead of Ben) went bad.
Spoilers New Picard TV Series and Litverse Continuity (may contain TV show spoilers)
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Well my books haven't suddenly disappeared since the new Picard trailer dropped over the weekend.
I can only surmise then that the books over the last nearly two decades existed in a separate Quantum Reality to the Streaming Programme in the fictional construct that is Star Trek.
I can only surmise then that the books over the last nearly two decades existed in a separate Quantum Reality to the Streaming Programme in the fictional construct that is Star Trek.
That's my impression as well. I'm not nearly as big a Star Wars fan as Star Trek (I've only seen the movies) but have heard about what Star Wars feels is 'canon' compared to Star Trek. Other posters have noted there are some similarities with Star Trek. But Star Wars had a tiered canon system at one time. Even considering some tie-ins 'canon until they're not' is more than Star Trek ever did. In Star Trek tie-ins weren't any level of canon. Most of the time they weren't even considered. Whereas in Star Wars, at least at one time, the tie-ins were at least given some consideration, even if they were ignored. Star Trek never even went that far.
Now the current show runners have at least indicated a willingness to review tie-in fiction, which is more I think then prior show runners which barely acknowledged tie-in's existence (outside a rare exception now and again). But I wouldn't attach any hope that the current show runners will give significant consideration to the novels.
I know some Star Wars fans that were quite upset almost the entire tie-in universe was abolished by The Force Awakens. Star Trek fans, on the other hand, know our tie-ins are always at risk of being overwritten. I think it's a testament to our novel writers that despite knowing the facts of life of the situation, that there is still a bit of angst that the new Picard show may lead to an end of the current relaunch novels. Christopher, Greg Cox, David Mack, KRAD, pretty much every author that posts here have noted in their own comments that it really doesn't bother them because they know that's part of the game. As Christopher has noted, they were given the keys to the car, or allowed to play in the sand box, but they don't own it. The owner can take the car in another direction any time they want.
Does it bother me? Yeah, a little. Even though I know all that, even though I'm looking forward to more onscreen adventures of TNG, a show I loved, I've loved the ongoing narrative in the relaunches and will still be sad to see it end in its current form. Again, a testament to all the writers that have contributed to that storyline. I've come to care about the litverse characters almost as much as the original characters. Chen, Elfiki, Taurik.....I've come to think of all of them (and the litverse characters on DS9, Voyager, Titan and Enterprise as well) as almost as important as Picard, Worf, Riker, etc. The novel writers have done an excellent job bringing those 'new' characters to life.
Part of me would love it if they decided to continue to litverse as an alternate universe. I'd love to have all the new shows and to see TNG, Titan, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise (and New Frontier for that matter) continue in the novels at the same time. But I also know that would be unprecedented for Star Trek...to continue an ongoing series that does not line up with canon. Could they? Sure, they can do anything they want. And Star Trek has actually provided a basis for that in canon, particular with "Parallels" but also with Star Trek (2009) among other stories. But it won't happen.
We know the contract negotiations were a mess. We don’t know what the final contract was like. Maybe Pocket wanted some assurance that they could deliver some sort of phased ending to the existing litverse when new shows were on the horizon. That seems likely.
What’s more questionable now is, given the success of Discovery and the hype around Picard, is if they’ll even want to.
What’s more questionable now is, given the success of Discovery and the hype around Picard, is if they’ll even want to.
Why wouldn’t they? Expecting them not to would be absurd. They’re also not telling them the exact same way, and compared to the examples you gave, they’re doing it much better.
No it isn’t.
How much of the Picard exhibit is post Nemesis? Going to see it in a week+.
If you don't see it that way that's fine, but don't pretend it's some objective truth. A lot of people I know, including myself, don't buy SW comics anymore, and I haven't seen a single episode of Resistance (unthinkable for a hardcore SW fan like me).
Your username seems familiar, I post on theforce net as sidv88. Anyway, the last Solo movie lost money. 8 had a lot of backlash even cast and crew acknowledge.
I'm sorry, but anybody who thought the EU was going to survive The Force Awakens was fooling themselves. There was no way they were going to force the movies to follow what the books and comics have done.
And you really should check out the new canon novels and comics, so far they've been great. I haven't read a ton of the later Legends stuff, but a lot of people have said that what we are getting now is consistently better than what we were getting at the end of the Legends stuff.
And you really should check out the new canon novels and comics, so far they've been great. I haven't read a ton of the later Legends stuff, but a lot of people have said that what we are getting now is consistently better than what we were getting at the end of the Legends stuff.
Well pretty much all of the items are from TNG - Nemesis, it's just that some of the info cards include information from Picard, when Picard was promoted to Admiral, and when he retired.
I'll cut you some slack, but I'm not keen on the "you must not have read" the new canon if you don't like it. Why do you think I stopped reading them?
I won't get back the hours wasted reading Dark Disciple, or Dr. Aphra, or comic book pages where Leia is verbally abusive and hits people.
I won't get back the hours wasted watching every single episode of Rebels hoping it gets better. And I won't get the money back on all those works, money spent trying to "prove" to people I read the new canon so I can judge it, etc. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice...
Dark Disciple, Dr. Aphra and Rebels are among the highlights of the new canon.
Its nice you think so, i mean that honestly. But please don't presume it's a universal consensus.
Im not saying them being bad is universal consensus either, in case that wasn't clear.
The highlights of new canon to me are Galaxy's Edge (which I visited last month) and Rogue One. These are 2 SW Disney works I can honestly say I like. Unfortunately those seem to be the exception instead of the norm as far as what I feel is quality after seeing Rebels, Solo, 7, 8, Dark Disciple, Aphra, etc. Being Asian myself, it's nice to get an Asian character in Aphra, but honestly she comes off as a joke (in a borderline offensive jokey Asian stereotype who you don't take seriously) and it's saddening rather than bringing pride into who should be a prominent Asian character.
Rogue One did their own take on the Death Star theft while honoring the premise behind it. Solo managed to bungle even the simple touching story of Han saving Chewie out of compassion and sacrificing his career for it into trying not to be eaten and sacrificing his career for Qi'ra.
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In the post-Nemesis era of stories, the novels don't sync up with the comics continuity while STO doesn't sync up with the novels or the comics. Now the new TV series doesn't sync up with the novels, comics, and STO which don't sync up with each other anyway which leads me to say, "Q! I know you're behind all of this!"
Q would be a good way to rewrite STO into Picard canon actually. I mean it seriously, the devs should consider it. It fits in-universe and fans will understand.
Another possibility is to turn the timeline difference into a plot point. I believe the point of divergence so far seems to be
Data being alive in STO and being dead in Picard. As such, we can see STO lead into a horrifically bad future where Data himself orders the players to go back in time and prevent his resurrection to save the galaxy, bringing a tragic end to the old storyline and allowing the player to follow afterwards into the Picard timeline as the result of their changes.
STO could also visit the circumstances leading to Spock Prime's use of the Jellyfish and provide a new take on it, as Countdown is now seemingly non canon.
STO could also visit the circumstances leading to Spock Prime's use of the Jellyfish and provide a new take on it, as Countdown is now seemingly non canon.
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STO and the novels have never been canon, simple as that. They can come up with internal workarounds on their own, but that should never affect the main production(s) because no future showrunner should feel more constrained creatively than a past one.
No one's asking the Picard production team to accommodate STO. We're talking about STO reconfiguring to accommodate Picard. I mean, my entire last post (that was right above yours) was about that.
It’s not what is or isn’t canon that matters. It’s if we get to see the story continued. STO is an interesting point. I don’t see them being able to easily rework or drop past continuity to be inline with the new shows, in the way people seem to be assuming the book line will have to.
Either Q snaps his fingers, or just have the STO timeline literally turn to Armageddon that the player has to go back in time to prevent, leading to the Picard timeline (the way the X-Men films, also featuring Patrick Stewart, had Wolverine go back in time and destroy the entire original X-Men films in favor of the new ones).
Star Trek Online (possible way to fit into Picard)
Captain Data: Captain, I have a very unusual order for you. As you know, the Federation is on the verge of complete destruction by a combined Romulan and Borg task force. This is our last chance. I am ordering you to go back in time to over 20 years ago... and to prevent my resurrection.
Players:
Captain Data: Captain, I have a very unusual order for you. As you know, the Federation is on the verge of complete destruction by a combined Romulan and Borg task force. This is our last chance. I am ordering you to go back in time to over 20 years ago... and to prevent my resurrection.
Players:
Greg is 100% correct. "Tiered canon" is a fancy way of saying "not canon." Star Wars fans have always assumed that their tie-ins were canonical, but that never passed the smell test.
