Unpopular Trek opinions game

[Kor]

Picking up romantic/sexual partners on the job when you're in a position of power likely will never be right.

Even today, medical practice is changing to a more collaborative process, as patient rights, education and empowerment have gained more traction. I see my doctor as a service provider who I hire (and fire if I want to) just like my mechanic or my plumber, not somebody who holds some sacrosanct position of power over me. I find the latter notion to be quaint and anachronistic, and frankly distasteful.

Kor

 

[Discofan]

Even today, medical practice is changing to a more collaborative process, as patient rights, education and empowerment have gained more traction. I see my doctor as a service provider who I hire (and fire if I want to) just like my mechanic or my plumber, not somebody who holds some sacrosanct position of power over me. I find the latter notion to be quaint and anachronistic, and frankly distasteful.

Kor

I am not sure of that, left to their own devices most people would choose a treatment over another for all the wrong reasons. IMO, a doctor shouldn't be forced to apply a procedure that he disapproves of.
In my country when a car crashes because it was ill-repaired then the owner of the garage who did the repair is responsible, so you can't ask your mechanic to repair your car in a way that isn't safe or legal. I am not sure but it must be the same with plumbers. They are (likely) responsible if something bad happens, like a flood that ruins the apartment below yours for example...

 

[Nightdiamond]

Ahh, so it didn't happen.
One of the reasons I don't really care for DS9 is with the exception of Jake I wouldn't want to spend time with any of the regulars. Sisko is authoritarian and over the top, Kira is non-stop stressed out, Bashir is creepy around women.

All of the Voyager people (well, except Tom) seem like people I could hang out and get to know and enjoy the process. Janeway is authoritarian, but she knows how to turn it off.

It's funny because I'm the opposite. With the exception of Tom and possibly B'Elanna, I would not want to spend time with the VOY crew.

Ds9 characters are over the top characters, or pretty much oddballs, but as far as viewing, the show more than makes up for it. The storylines, dialog, risks.

With the other shows during re-watch, you're going to get the same thing over and over. DS9 did it differently-people had shades of grey, speeches at the end didn't automatically solve the plot, the characters remembered things from past episodes and mentioned them frequently.

The dialog kept you awake. It was ideal for binge watching. It's crazy that TNG and Voyager gets more attention on Netflix.

The Voyager crew does seem more relatable. They seem more down to earth. But everything else about it never seemed right.. The rest of the crew seemed like background mannequins. They never seemed real. The only real people where the main crew.

By the way, Harry might have been a two timing jerk. He had a girlfriend he might been engaged to back on earth, but on the ship, within a few months of being stranded in the DQ, he flirted heavily with an alien woman, then there was something about a double date with twins with Tom Paris.

Another thing about how inconsistent it was.

 

[Discofan]

Harry doesn't show much affection for his girlfriend in "Non-Sequitur". We don't see him considering staying with her and forgetting about the other timeline which he would have done if he was in love with her like he said he was.

 

[Nyotarules]

Picking up romantic/sexual partners on the job when you're in a position of power likely will never be right.

Why would being a doctor still be considered a position of power in 300 years or with fictional alien cultures?

 

[Discofan]

Why would being a doctor still be a considered a position of power in 300 years or with fictional alien cultures?

Because people will live much longer than now but they'll be also much more dependant on good doctoring than they are now. You can't possibly live past 120 without the help of your doctor.

 

[Nyotarules]

Because people will live much longer than now but they'll be also much more dependant on good doctoring than they are now. You can't possibly live past 120 without the help of your doctor.

Why not, some people live past 40 without the help of the good doctor, in the middle ages 40 would make you old and dead.

 

[MacLeod]

Even today, medical practice is changing to a more collaborative process, as patient rights, education and empowerment have gained more traction. I see my doctor as a service provider who I hire (and fire if I want to) just like my mechanic or my plumber, not somebody who holds some sacrosanct position of power over me. I find the latter notion to be quaint and anachronistic, and frankly distasteful.

Kor

This is hardly new, in the UK (most) Doctor's/nurses etc.. are part of the National Health Service, If I'm in need of medical attention I really don't care which Doctor or Nurse I see.

 

[fireproof78]

Ds9 characters are over the top characters, or pretty much oddballs

So, pretty much everyone I know. That's why I like them.

The Voyager crew does seem more relatable.

It depends. I think Tom is the closest, with Janeway a runner up. But, on a long term basis, I am less invested or relating to them.

 

[STR]

Why would being a doctor still be considered a position of power in 300 years or with fictional alien cultures?

Because doctors will still know more about how to keep people alive and functional than the laity. Since hypothetical future you is going to want to stay alive, your option is to either defer to the doctor or die. Same as today.

You can't be like "future tech will help" when Dr. Google is telling millions that vaccines cause autism right now. Tools without trained judgement will remain dangerous.

Also, trained and credentialed experts tend to float towards the top of any social hierarchy. They end up vested with authority by virtue of being subject matter experts. For example, state sanctioned boards of doctors which exist to police their own kind and the rules of the profession in a form of parallel justice system. Again, the untrained defer judgement on complex issues and their ethics to the doctors themselves.

And they don't always use that power well. Why airline pilots have mandated down times while residents are regularly required to fill 24+ hour shifts is insane.

This is hardly new, in the UK (most) Doctor's/nurses etc.. are part of the National Health Service, If I'm in need of medical attention I really don't care which Doctor or Nurse I see.

That's fine when there's a lot of doctors around you and your problems aren't that rare. The moment you start needing a specialist (particularly one in a rare disorder) and that interchangeably goes out the window.

On this side of the ocean, there are areas with only one doctor without hundreds of miles. And that's usually a general practitioner. Imagine getting a weird disease on a frontier planet in deep space. You may be lucky to have one qualified specialist in the system.

 

[at Quark's]

Because people will live much longer than now but they'll be also much more dependant on good doctoring than they are now. You can't possibly live past 120 without the help of your doctor.

Why not? Suppose both your parents (or all your grandparents) are genetically engineered to live to 250 years of age and 120 is the new 40 (if that proves possible), and they're passing on those genes....then they needed a doctor to get there, yes, but you don't.

So, arguably you would be right in a Star Trek context since they forbid genetic engineering, but I mean, in a general hypothetical futuristic society.

 

[Tenacity]

The rest of the crew seemed like background mannequins.

That's the norm from TOS through STD.

Why would being a doctor still be considered a position of power in 300 years or with fictional alien cultures?

Because a particular doctor is your sole source of a unusual treatment that would radically improve your life?

If I'm in need of medical attention I really don't care which Doctor or Nurse I see.

In America you develop a relationship with a doctor over the course of years. When I changed cities a while back, starting up with new doctors was stressful.

 

[Grimusaur]

Haven't seen the TOS movies recently enough to make a definitive ranking, but TMP is one of my favorites of the bunch and I wish we had gotten more like it.

Additionally, I much prefer the TMP uniforms to the "maroon monsters." While I think they could look better with more variety in the palette than "gray blue, gray green, white, and four skin tones," they had a consistent logic that much more easily distinguished crewmen from each other than anything we've gotten before or since, and worked much better as both a more realistic uniform and as an evolution of the uniforms seen in TOS.

 

[Discofan]

Why not? Suppose both your parents (or all your grandparents) are genetically engineered to live to 250 years of age and 120 is the new 40 (if that proves possible), and they're passing on those genes....then they needed a doctor to get there, yes, but you don't.

So, arguably you would be right in a Star Trek context since they forbid genetic engineering, but I mean, in a general hypothetical futuristic society.

Genetic diseases will be cured by genetic engineering, at first, then our genome will be changed to make us immune to pretty much any diseases we know of including cancers (much cheaper than treating sick people in hospitals) and then I don't think they'll stop there. The aging process will be slowed down, the IQs will soar... before we know it the Earth will be a planet populated by super people.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

It’s not quite the same as dating your employees, but your doctor has control over your medical treatment and drug prescriptions. He controls which medications and medical procedures you get and has the ability to recommend them corruptly based on personal financial interest. If you can’t trust him to make his recommendations objectively based on your interest, your health is inherently compromised.

An unethical doctor with a personal relationship to you has the power to cut you off from your medications. Or the well intended possibility is, he will be extra risk averse with you when a little risk is the best call, or give you stronger medication than you need because he’s not emotionally separated from your pain.

Are there any laws concerning doctors similar to Fiduciary laws? There should be.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Genetic diseases will be cured by genetic engineering, at first, then our genome will be changed to make us immune to pretty much any diseases we know of including cancers (much cheaper than treating sick people in hospitals) and then I don't think they'll stop there. The aging process will be slowed down, the IQs will soar... before we know it the Earth will be a planet populated by super people.

You mean rich super-people, and working class normies.

Genetic disease cures will probably be available just because the insurance company would rather pay a little now than a lot later. But the elective augmentations go to the millionaires.

 

[Discofan]

You mean rich super-people, and working class normies.

Genetic disease cures will probably be available just because the insurance company would rather pay a little now than a lot later. But the elective augmentations go to the millionaires.

You forget about trump's (and alike) trickle down economics bullshit.


Anyway, this doesn't really concern us as we'll be long dead before any of that happens.

 

[Phoenix219]

You forget about trump's (and alike) trickle down economics bullshit.


Anyway, this doesn't really concern us as we'll be long dead before any of that happens.

Nothing bullshit about it, but thats another conversation.....

 

[Phoenix219]

Haven't seen the TOS movies recently enough to make a definitive ranking, but TMP is one of my favorites of the bunch and I wish we had gotten more like it.

Additionally, I much prefer the TMP uniforms to the "maroon monsters." While I think they could look better with more variety in the palette than "gray blue, gray green, white, and four skin tones," they had a consistent logic that much more easily distinguished crewmen from each other than anything we've gotten before or since, and worked much better as both a more realistic uniform and as an evolution of the uniforms seen in TOS.

I wouldn't mind the Maroons being a dress command uniform, with the regular department colors underneath. I think Potemkin went with a concept like that with their fan films. I've always wondered (narratively) what major event could have 1) put Kirk back at the desk 2) retired the "E" to a training vessel. 3) changed the uniforms so dramatically and 4) caused the icy politics between the Feds and the Klingons. I would love for it all to be tied up into one epic story (set during the end of the TMP style phase II 5YM.) This needs to be animated (with Shatner) or filmed (with either Pine playing Prime, or Vic from STC). Pipe dreams, I know....

 

[Tenacity]

You forget about trump's (and alike) trickle down economics bullshit

what trump trickle down bullshit?

sorry, more pretend "news?"