Scientists able to test if EmDrive is real or not

[Romulan_spy]

Scientists have developed an instrument capable of testing if the thrust from the EmDrive is real or not:
https://www.wired.com/story/a-mythical-form-of-space-propulsion-finally-gets-a-real-test/

Over the last few years, however, a handful of research teams, including one from NASA, claim to have successfully produced thrust with an EmDrive. If true, it would amount to one of the biggest breakthroughs in the history of space exploration. The problem is that the thrust observed in these experiments is so small that it’s hard to tell if it’s real.

The resolution lies in designing a tool that can measure these miniscule amounts of thrust. So a team of physicists at Germany’s Technische Universität Dresden set out to create a device that would fill this need. Led by the physicist Martin Tajmar, the SpaceDrive project aims to create an instrument so sensitive and immune to interference that it would put an end to the did-the-EmDrive-actually-produce-thrust debate once and for all. In October, Tajmar and his team presented their second set of experimental EmDrive measurements at the International Astronautical Congress and their results will be published in Acta Astronautica this August. Based on the results of these experiments, Tajmar says a resolution to the EmDrive saga may only be a few months away.

This could be very exciting folks. If the EmDrive works, we could have a new way of doing space travel.

 

[publiusr]

I hope so.
https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2024/...e-propulsion-breakthrough.html#comment-205396

But....

 

[XCV330]

as much as I'd like this to be a real thing, so far the results just have not looked likely.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

There's a theory that the EM and Mach drives work because of the Rindler horizon and consequent Unruh effect aka quantised inertia. The force produced is tiny and the drives appear to be horribly inefficient but not having to carry reaction mass or fuel would be a big thing.

 

[XCV330]

There's a theory that the EM and Mach drives work because of the Rindler horizon and consequent Unruh effect aka quantised inertia. The force produced is tiny and the drives appear to be horribly inefficient but not having to carry reaction mass or fuel would be a big thing.

I think if there's anything to it, it must be somewhere on that path with McCulluch's QI theories. It would also explain Pioneer Anomaly (though Woodward's interpretation of Mach Effect might also, but that is literally a different thread and may have been mathematically falsified recently)

 

[XCV330]

This might be a big deal:
https://www.globenewswire.com/news-...orter-8-with-partner-Rogue-Space-Systems.html

WASHINGTON, March 15, 2023 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- IVO Ltd., the pioneer of capacitive based technologies, today announced its pure electric thruster for satellites, the IVO Quantum Drive, will be aboard SpaceX Transporter 8. Hosted by IVO’s partner, Rogue Space Systems, the Quantum Drive-powered satellite will begin its journey to low earth orbit on June 10th, 2023. After demonstration and baselining of the IVO Quantum Drive’s performance specifications, IVO Ltd will provide propulsion for Rogue Orbots supporting Rogue’s high-mobility satellite servicing business model.


The IVO Quantum Drive is the world’s first commercially viable and available pure electric propulsion technology to achieve legitimacy via thermal vacuum testing. The thruster technology provides unmatched efficiency, achieving up to 52 mN from a single watt with the ability to stack units to multiply thrust output. Thrusters can be mounted in any orientation enabling up to 6 degrees of freedom. This is done solely via electricity, eliminating the need for liquid, solid or gas fuels. The elimination of legacy fuel systems and storage allows for a larger payload and a reduced form factor of any spacecraft. Due to a lack of emissions, the thruster can be mounted internally to a satellite.

The IVO Quantum Drive:

• removes the need to refuel or deorbit due to fuel limitations,
• draws limitless power for propulsion from the sun, and
• brings unmatched efficiency, scalability and capability to the space industry.

“Quantum Drive’s small size and big capabilities helps us develop incredibly efficient, lightweight, maneuverable, fuel independent and most importantly cost effective spacecraft,” said Brent Abbott, chief business officer, Rogue Space Systems.

“Deploying Quantum Drive into orbit in a Rogue satellite on SpaceX Transporter 8 is a milestone for the future of space propulsion,” said Richard Mansell, CEO, IVO, Ltd. “Quantum Drive’s capability allows Rogue to produce new satellite vehicles with unlimited Delta V.”

Space Propulsion Breakthrough:
In 2021 Richard Mansell discovered pure electric thrust is viable for spacecraft through a combination of mathematics and empirical test data.

Mansell invented the IVO Quantum Drive. Due to its use of electricity only and zero fuel, the IVO Quantum Drive has zero emissions and is self contained. This allows it the unique ability to be internal to the spacecraft itself. The IVO Quantum Drive’s modular design allows it to scale on multiple axes to meet the needs of each individual spacecraft regardless of thrust requirements.

IVO Ltd. worked with E-Labs of Fredericksburg, VA to test and validate the Quantum Drive pure electric thruster under the rigorous conditions it will see in space.

About Rogue Space Systems
Rogue is engineering the first generation of Orbital Robots. We call them Orbots™. The space industry is growing rapidly, and human presence in space is expanding. Orbots™ are designed to support the growth of the industry and human endeavors in LEO, GEO and beyond… https://rogue.space/

About IVO Ltd.
IVO Ltd. is a company made up of inventors, innovators, dreamers and creators dedicated to pushing the boundaries of modern technology. IVO Ltd. is providing revolutionary technology from pure electric thrusters to capacitive based wireless energy transmission solutions. The company is committed to developing technologies that improve life on Earth and expand mankind’s reach to the stars beyond. https://ivolimited.us/

Media Contact:
Heidi Groshelle
heidi@groshelle.com

The photo is also available at Newscom, www.newscom.com, and via AP PhotoExpress

A photo accompanying this announcement is available at https://www.globenewswire.com/NewsRoom/AttachmentNg/6f9c5e57-5f0f-4d60-a6bf-ae2a26a71026

A video accompanying this announcement is available at https://www.globenewswire.com/NewsRoom/AttachmentNg/07630dde-20a5-422b-b5bd-ad7251ade674

like him or not, Mike McCulluch is involved in this, and if he got investors willing to buy a launch, they must have seen enough to be willing to risk it. This flight could happen this summer. If they prove propellentless thrust in orbit, everything changes. And if they don't, that might be the final nail in the coffin for this.

 

[publiusr]

Right now, I understand even the conventional Starlinks are having problems.

One can always hope for the best.

 

[XCV330]

I've been disappointed by these em-drive/mach effect/q.g. drive claims. Woodward and Fearn seemed the closest to having something truly replicable, but word from them seems to have dried up for the most part. I'll be looking out for news from this one.

 

[XCV330]

and the IVO QI drive test in space is supposedly ongoing now. Launched Nov 11 but no data released yet

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

If the drive actually works by interacting with the Earth's magnetic field (about 25 μT to 65 μT in LEO) rather than by a quantised inertia mechanism, as has been suggested, this will presumably show up in the effective thrust vector over a complete orbit. If the conventional explanation is correct, it might also suggest that it could be used outside the Earth's magnetosphere by interaction with the interplanetary magnetic field (IMF - about 0.01 μT at 1 AU). Obviously, the IMF is so weak, any thrust obtained would be similarly diminished by several orders of magnitude. The azimuthal component of the MHD-maintained IMF dominates over the radial component beyond 1 AU, as the former decreases as 1/R and the latter by 1/R^2, where R is the distance from the Sun. The Earth's magnetic field decreases as 1/r^3, where r is the distance from the Earth's centre.

 

[XCV330]

satellite failure. Ivo says they lost contact with Barry before they got any data. Of course the experiment might have just failed and they don't want to look foolish for trying. The payload host, Rogue, says they will offer IVO another opportunity. It will be interesting to see if they take Rogue up on it.

editted: since the payload host confirmed the loss of satellite, it wasn't Ivo