Unpopular Trek opinions game

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Easy to say when it's not your community and your life being ripped apart by a stroke of a pen you had no say over.

Nope, still not buying it.

Again: In Federation territory, there is pretty much an infinite amount of living space. Those colonists could have had their pick of any Federation world, and (thanks to replicator technology) their existing homes could be recreated, in precise detail, on any of those worlds.

The question of "defending their homes" has no meaning when faced with circumstances like this. In the end, what IS your home? Where you lay your hat? When faced with two alternatives here - sign the treaty (and have a few hundred colonists move), or go to war with Cardassia - the choice is clear. The greatest good for the greatest number.

I'm not saying who's right, but don't make it into something straightforward.

Oh yes, I will do exactly that.

 

[Delta Vega]

Maybe an unpopular opinion but . . . .
I'd have beamed that fucking Khan and his mob into space rather than set them down on Ceti Alpha whatever

 

[Armus]

Maybe an unpopular opinion but . . . .
I'd have beamed that fucking Khan and his mob into space rather than set them down on Ceti Alpha whatever

Think of how many lives would have been saved if Khan had been put to death.

 

[Vger23]

Think of how many lives would have been saved if Khan had been put to death.

Khan's such an a-hole sometimes. Really.

 

[Donker]

Unpopular opinion: Section 31 blows. It kinda destroys the whole idea of humanity growing up and getting along if the Federation is really controlled by a small cabal of people who determine what is right and wrong and act based on their own morality without the input of the Federation government or citizens.

S31 was a tightrope of an idea, I didn't mind it basically as sort of implied (with Bashir's comments) in DS9 it literally just being a made up conspiracy by certain radical elements of Star fleet Intelligence and Admiral Ross to appeal to Bashir's secret agent fantasies. That I can buy. ENT is pre-Federation so whatever.

Where it falls off that tightrope and then lands on some water skis and jumps a shark is Discovery, where suddenly, a very 20th century unethical security agency is suddenly doing very 20th century unethical security agency things in a very ethical, enlightened, positive, progressive 23rd century openly. The fact that S31 and it's ahem "not pretty Nation building" is condoned openly by the Federation and Starfleet means that the entire Federation is basically built on a lie, all it's citizens are basically knowing hypocritics and is basically a Utopian dystopia.

Also doesn't even make sense it's role in DSC, S31 is based on the Starfleet Charter that basically say in extreme circumstances that threaten the Federation, Starfleet officers can take extraordinary measures to defend the Federation. Why in fuck would you call your organisation S31 then if it was an official open Star fleet Intellegence branch? The whole point of it being called S31 is because it's a conspiracy by Sloan and Co using that section as justification.

Anyway my unpopular opinion is Gene's more radical ideas he had on life in the Federation should have actually made it into the official series beyond the Novelisation of TMP. The "free love" stuff, the branch of humanity that has started to develop psychic powers etc. I like how futuristic and weird humanity seems in the future in TMP's novel and that is something that sci-fi is missing in general, Star Trek takes place HUNDREDS of years into the future, why are it's cultural and social norms still so.. 20th century?

 

[ED-209]

Maybe an unpopular opinion but . . . .
I'd have beamed that fucking Khan and his mob into space rather than set them down on Ceti Alpha whatever

Think of how many lives would have been saved if Khan had been put to death.

Genes vision tho...

 

[JonnyQuest037]

Think of how many lives would have been saved if Khan had been put to death.

If Kirk sentenced Khan to death, Khan's actions wouldn't have caused the death of Spock 15 years later, Kirk and his crew wouldn't have stolen the Enterprise to resurrect him, and they wouldn't have been coming back to Earth from their three-month Vulcan exile when the probe from STIV showed up. They likely would've been back on Earth conducting their regular duties and been disabled along with everyone else. So there would've been no way to communicate with the probe, Earth would've been cut off from the sun, and all life on Earth would've ended. So any lives that would've been saved would've gotten three or four extra months, tops.

 

[Armus]

If Kirk sentenced Khan to death, Khan's actions wouldn't have caused the death of Spock 15 years later, Kirk and his crew wouldn't have stolen the Enterprise to resurrect him, and they wouldn't have been coming back to Earth from their three-month Vulcan exile when the probe from STIV showed up. They likely would've been back on Earth conducting their regular duties and been disabled along with everyone else. So there would've been no way to communicate with the probe, Earth would've been cut off from the sun, and all life on Earth would've ended. So any lives that would've been saved would've gotten three or four extra months, tops.

Ha! God does work all things for good.

 

[Discofan]

Unpopular Opinion: (the first) Kahn was not a genius by any means. He was an idiot-savant... if that. The way he was played by Kirk is just appalling.

 

[fireproof78]

If Kirk sentenced Khan to death, Khan's actions wouldn't have caused the death of Spock 15 years later, Kirk and his crew wouldn't have stolen the Enterprise to resurrect him, and they wouldn't have been coming back to Earth from their three-month Vulcan exile when the probe from STIV showed up. They likely would've been back on Earth conducting their regular duties and been disabled along with everyone else. So there would've been no way to communicate with the probe, Earth would've been cut off from the sun, and all life on Earth would've ended. So any lives that would've been saved would've gotten three or four extra months, tops.

Maybe, just maybe, the Vulcans would have figured it out too? Maybe another ship could have been the heroes, since Starfleet might have more than one?

 

[JonnyQuest037]

Maybe, just maybe, the Vulcans would have figured it out too? Maybe another ship could have been the heroes, since Starfleet might have more than one?

That's crazy talk.

But more seriously, it seems unlikely that most Vulcans would know about an extinct species of whale on another planet, and make the leap that just because the probe's signal was directed at Earth's oceans, it would translate into something akin to whale song. Thankfully, since Spock had both knowledge of Earth's history and was half human, he was able to make that intuitive leap and plant the idea in Kirk's head that they needed to travel back in time to solve their problem.

Because honestly, if the alien probe was a crisis that anyone could have solved, how is it worth telling in a story about Kirk and his crew?

 

[fireproof78]

Because honestly, if the alien probe was a crisis that anyone could have solved, how is it worth telling in a story about Kirk and his crew?

Because I would like to believe that Starfleet has more than one exceptional crew?

 

[Greg Cox]

Because I would like to believe that Starfleet has more than one exceptional crew?

That's crazy talk. Next you'll be saying that 006 and 008 can save the day just as easily as 007.

 

[Discofan]

Well, Kirk was lucky that the probe didn't decide to disintegrate him and take his place instead of Illia. I am still wondering what she did that was so upsetting to V'ger.

 

[Delta Vega]

That's crazy talk. Next you'll be saying that 006 and 008 can save the day just as easily as 007.

Of course he can, he just needs a better publicist

 

[JonnyQuest037]

That's crazy talk. Next you'll be saying that 006 and 008 can save the day just as easily as 007.

Of course he can, he just needs a better publicist

008 maybe (M threatens to replace Bond with 008 in Goldfinger), but considering that 006 was

Spoiler

the villain in Goldeneye,

I'll take my chances with 007.

 

[Delta Vega]

Hadn't ever watched Goldeneye
Every day is a school day

 

[Discofan]

There's only one crew at a time that faces annihilation every other week. It's Starfleet's quota.

 

[fireproof78]

008 maybe (M threatens to replace Bond with 008 in Goldfinger), but considering that 006 was

Spoiler

the villain in Goldeneye,

I'll take my chances with 007.

But 7 8 9!

 

[Nyotarules]

I was about the same age as the Wesley character when TNG came out. His character was relatable to me. I didn't see the annoyance factor so many others did.

A kid who can outsmart a ship with a crew of 1000, most of which are meant to be Starfleet's best since they are serving on the Federation's flagship and solves every technical problem is a Wesley Marion Sue. Yeah he was annoying, a human lassie in a badly knitted jumper