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Case dismissed! Discovery and Tardigrade game "not similar"

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Rahul said:
The writers' job on a movie like that is putting down on paper what the directors, producers and stars (in this order) tell him to do.
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Spiner did recommend Logan to Berman to write Nemesis and he did request that Data be killed off. This much is true. However, legend has it that Logan was given complete control of the script and screenplay by Berman. Apparently, Nick Meyer had been approached to direct Nemesis and wanted to re-write the script. Because of this, Meyer declined. Admittedly, I don't know how true this tale is. Normally, I would wonder why Meyer would want to be involved, but I do recall hearing his name around the time Nemesis was in pre-production and that he was involved in the first season of Discovery suggests to be its not beyond him to do so. But, who really knows?
 
Dukhat said:
The conversation was about fans being in charge of Trek productions. Someone mentioned that the last time that happened we got Nemesis. You mentioned that the director of Nemesis was not a Trek fan. But the person was referring to Logan, not Baird.
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To which I - pretty directly - said: writers in Hollywood are not the people in charge. Not by ANY means. The only thing to be in charge as a writer, is as a writer-director. And even then you're at the whim of any producers' input.

So yes - the writer of Nemesis might have been a fan of Star Trek. But "Nemesis" was NOT a movie with a fan being in charge. As I said - the absolute opposie actually.
 
Rahul said:
You are NOT doing ANYONE any favours
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Au contraire mon blue tentacled ami. I try to do favours when I can. Like desperately trying to bring a modicum of humor to a thread that just won't die. I may fail. I may look silly when I fail and people will guffaw and look pitiably at my awkward screen name as I die trying, but DAMNIT JIM, I tried.


Rahul said:
by lumping everyone critizising DIS into the "SJW"/Youtube commentary section crowd. DIS has enough failings on it's own that the show has now been completely re-tooled twice(!), and many people have absolutey reasonable reasons to not like it.
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You DO realize it was not an actual form? The real 27B-6 which is also not real would be used by Central Services before working on your domicile's environmental controls. It is NOT a MoIR form. Do keep up with the bureaucracy, please.

There are lots of reasonable reasons not to like Discovery. Wanting a nearly frivolous lawsuit to succeed in bringing down franchise does is not predicable by any of them.


Rahul said:
And to mock people for liking Pike is even stupider - yes, he's a white man. He's also literally the only DIS main character that embodies the larger spirit of Star Trek - optimism, duty, and always doing the upright, moral thing when you got the choice. Fuck all this "hard men doing hard choices"/"So what we cheer now for the cannibal Nazi now" shit this show tries to pull to be "edgy".
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I like Pike. I liked Pike before it was cool to like Pike. I had Pike on 8-Track. Pike and I were going to go into business dealing with slaves, but something inside of him died. He had to sell everything he owned and froze up inside. You sir, are no Pike Liker! And I am far from a model of the line toeing social justice bringing army of Discovery Watchers that does not actually exist. As a wary moderate I've watched myself be compared to fascists, communists, the privileged, the angry under-served and everything else. Can someone finally just suggest that maybe I just don't care? I digress. But let's be reasonable and admit, for some, Pike IS the Great White Hope of Star Trek. And the typical some-of-my-best-friends-like-Burnham types were always going to latch on to that.

Rahul said:
Your morals ain't worth shit if you throw them out the second it becomes difficult to stand by them.
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Was this directed at me? When have I demonstrated morals and what does this have to do with anything?

TLDR: please chill out.
 
Rahul said:
To which I - pretty directly - said: writers in Hollywood are not the people in charge. Not by ANY means. The only thing to be in charge as a writer, is as a writer-director. And even then you're at the whim of any producers' input.

So yes - the writer of Nemesis might have been a fan of Star Trek. But "Nemesis" was NOT a movie with a fan being in charge. As I said - the absolute opposie actually.
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It’s not about “who’s in charge.” It’s about the final product, and the final product was pretty much all John Logan’s doing. It doesn’t matter who directed or produced the film. What matters is the story that was told. I don’t watch Star Trek movies because they are produced or directed by a specific person. I could care less about that. All I care about is if it’s entertaining and a good story.
 
Dukhat said:
...and the final product was pretty much all John Logan’s doing.
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I'm not so sure about that. The creative people didn't seem to have a lot of freedom on the TNG films. They seemed to be dictated from the top down.
 
XCV330 said:
Au contraire mon blue tentacled ami. I try to do favours when I can. Like desperately trying to bring a modicum of humor to a thread that just won't die. I may fail.
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In theory that would be admirably. But mocking people disagreeing with you by equating them with conspiracy theorists' and trolls by putting buzzwords in their mouth does seem more like hyperbole than humor.

XCV330 said:
There are lots of reasonable reasons not to like Discovery. Wanting a nearly frivolous lawsuit to succeed in bringing down franchise does is not predicable by any of them.
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Even the most vivid Abdin-defender aren't out there have no illusions to "bring down the franchise". That's ludicrous. People here are rooting for a little guy they think got ripped off getting a compensation.

XCV330 said:
You sir, are no Pike Liker!
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You have no clue what you're talking about.
XCV330 said:
I like Pike. I liked Pike before it was cool to like Pike. I had Pike on 8-Track. Pike and I were going to go into business dealing with slaves, but something inside of him died. He had to sell everything he owned and froze up inside.
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And yes, I DO like the Anson Mount-Pike more than the Hunter type. And Hunter was my first Pike. Maybe because of stuff like that.

XCV330 said:
As a wary moderate
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XCV330 said:
for some, Pike IS the Great White Hope of Star Trek
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XCV330 said:
the typical some-of-my-best-friends-like-Burnham types
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Yeah, whatever.... :rolleyes:
 
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Dukhat said:
It’s not about “who’s in charge.” It’s about the final product, and the final product was pretty much all John Logan’s doing. It doesn’t matter who directed or produced the film.
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Again - no. That's not how it works. This movie is what Stuart Baird made. John Logan only put the words on the page. Saying the final movie is "pretty much all the writer's doing", is like saying "the newest IPhone is pretty much the programmers' doing". That's just not how it works, and who actually makes the final product. It's the guy making the decisions. Not the one following orders.

And yes, that can be confusing - because on television the writers room is actually the final authority in day-to-day business. I can see why that's confusing. But that's also why every recurring member also holds a producer's title. But movies - especially franchise ones - are just an entirely different beast. The only thing that's actually completely "John Logan" about the movie is the words coming out of the actors' mouth. Not the acting. Not the editing. Not the story beats, neither which of them are actually on screen. And definitely not what the story actually is.
 
So, tardigrades. They're cute.

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DaveyNY said:
Till ya pizz them off and they "Ripper" ya to shreds ...

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Which is completely like what Abdin had in mind for his Tardigrade game.

N O T.
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They're ruining Abdin's Vision!
 
Rahul said:
Anyone without advanced knowledge how television production timelines work, and is not intimately familiar with which one of Abdin's video's was published at what time exactly and which plattform, can absolutely be mistaken into thinking CBS ripped this guy off.
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This makes it a highly dangerous mistaken assumption which (hopefully) would warrant further discussion and investigation not immediately throwing in behind the little guy.
 
XCV330 said:
The real 27B-6 which is also not real would be used by Central Services before working on your domicile's environmental controls. It is NOT a MoIR form. Do keep up with the bureaucracy, please.
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Yeah...I'm going to need you to put the new cover sheet on your TPS reports from now on. Did you get the memo about that? I'll go ahead an make sure you get another copy of that memo.
 
ShranMan said:
These people make junk, complain that no one wants it, and get hostile toward creators making things fans actually want to see! If you want us to like your stuff, make good stuff. These franchises desperately need creatives who respect established canon and lore and know what other fans want to watch. They should be hiring these people, not suing them.
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Where's this "Junk" that "no one wants to see? I ask because:
https://screenrant.com/star-trek-discovery-ratings-most-popular-streaming-show/

While at this point Prelude to Axanar (after 5 years):
4,016,352 views on Youtube.

And if you look at the history of the production of prelude, Peters didn't have all that much to do with the actual PRODUCTION of it (although he pretty much claimed everyone who did actually produce it, didn't do anything; and either he or his sycophants at the time (like Robert Mayer Burnett) did everything, until they too, left the project and suddenly "did nothing'. Tony Todd joined then production because of Christian Gossett's involvement and then bailed once he saw where Alec Peters was taking it (although Mr. Peters hid that fact for a couple of months as it wouldn't help fundraising and once Tony Todd tweeted about the situation, Mr. peters (true to form) started casting dispersion on Mr. Todd's work and involvement.
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That's NOT the type of "Producer" most actual real Studios and Production Companies want to hire.
 
Noname Given said:
That's NOT the type of "Producer" most actual real Studios and Production Companies want to hire.
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Precisely so. Studios want professionals who will get their jobs done, on time and under budget. We are talking about studios gambling with millions of dollars on a product. They will not want to include a novice as part of that equation.
 
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