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THE ORVILLE Season Three...
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Except of a few minor things, at least regarding superheroes -
The MCU movie series has been all the rage, increasingly, with its culmination taking place at the same time. It's not hard to see why MCU would be swamping out everything else.
A superhero forum could be justified, IMHO - not because of the aforementioned MCU but because it is its own subgenre that's large enough. It's not really sci-fi. It's not really fantasy. It's somewhere in the middle while being something completely different. And, most importantly, it is that large a category with all the superheros therein.
Entirely agreed with you regarding Orville not needing its own special room.
Hmmm, cliquish shoulder-patting rooms accomplish little more than "self-indulgent" sessions and not in a good chocolate candy bar with peanuts and nougat sort of way. The occasional "I don't like it because" is most appropriate, given there's anything approaching a reason. "I HATE IT!!!!" is not any more or less irksome than "I LOVE IT!!!!", as they are not reasons but emotional reactions - which are nothing in of themselves. As if that accomplishes anything but usually people don't incessantly obsess over shows they don't like compared to those that do. Is it possible they're hating something they want to like?
This is from a TV Guide piece, and makes all kinds of sense:
Unless there's an unlikely turn-around in ratings next season, the future of the show will always be touch-and-go at best. I'll just be glad to have one more year of it - in terms of quality and the level of storytelling, the show's produced more early successes than any version of Trek other than TOS. So thirteen episodes of The Orville is as good as an old-fashioned twenty-six episode season of the stuff I used to like best.
Unless there's an unlikely turn-around in ratings next season, the future of the show will always be touch-and-go at best. I'll just be glad to have one more year of it - in terms of quality and the level of storytelling, the show's produced more early successes than any version of Trek other than TOS. So thirteen episodes of The Orville is as good as an old-fashioned twenty-six episode season of the stuff I used to like best.
And DSC co-opting already established Trek ideas, making changes, and trying to say they made it first even though said changes make a mockery of Trek. Unless an episode explains cogently how what seems like a mockery can fit into the canon the makers claim it is in. which they may have done but whatever the resolution for Spock becoming a mass murderer of his shrinks was, and still managed to become second in command of the Federation flagship... seems a bit bizarre. But just zap a time crystal and they can rewrite time that it never happened, thus rendering hollow and utter blankenship the characterizations and scripting are. If people didn't like it when VOY did the reset button, why would they like it now if it's the same plot trope used as the same copout? (which DSC may or may not have done, I doubt they addressed anything anyway, especially if you're not the only one saying "little less sense". At least you gave it more of a longer chance, but that premiere alone was so chock full of-- and that's before the laughably bad mutiny, much less everything coming afterward - sigh... then came the season 2 premiere. And yet it's season one TNG that's said to be bad?
FOX did drop the ball too soon with "Firefly" but how direct a comparison can be made given all the variables between then and now?
My gut feeling is that it will be retooled. I'm more worried as to how. "Sliders season 3" is an obvious example of how not to retool a show. A sure way to end the show is to have it carbon copy the big screen movie of the week formula.
And, seconded, Orville season one bests all Trek season one incarnations (except TOS). Or maybe TOS in certain aspects. But TOS pretty much made a new genre, even if it's loosely based on "Wagon train" westerns melded with 50s sci-fi such as "Forbidden Planet", back then Leslie Nielsen wasn't telling people not to call him Shirley or WD40.
This is outstanding news. Now they need to promote the show some. My wishlist:
*Done with the Moclans. The last episode about them, with the women, served its purpose well. Only needs occasional revistis
*One Kaylon episode, max. I loved what they did with them, but too much of a good thing ruins it.
*More of Yaphit and Yaphitkind.
*Kelly came into her own in this season, as did Bortus and Malloy and Claire. We need more Lamarr and a little more Kelaya.
*Advance the Krill plot a little
*Cameos from: Levar Burton, Jeffrey Combs, Andy Robinson, Armin Shimerman, Jonathan Frakes, Jeri Ryan, Gates McFadden, Nana Visitor in order of preference
*Done with the Moclans. The last episode about them, with the women, served its purpose well. Only needs occasional revistis
*One Kaylon episode, max. I loved what they did with them, but too much of a good thing ruins it.
*More of Yaphit and Yaphitkind.
*Kelly came into her own in this season, as did Bortus and Malloy and Claire. We need more Lamarr and a little more Kelaya.
*Advance the Krill plot a little
*Cameos from: Levar Burton, Jeffrey Combs, Andy Robinson, Armin Shimerman, Jonathan Frakes, Jeri Ryan, Gates McFadden, Nana Visitor in order of preference
Yeah, and as a Canadian coming into this thread, I'm actually taken aback over the criticism that California is doing its best to keep jobs in the state. I'd have thought it was a good thing as I know how difficult it is to keep an industry happy when there are good deals all around. An industry's gotta do what it's gotta do to keep itself healthy.
Anyway, I'm really happy about the announcement. The show's been a pleasure to watch. I'll be eagerly waiting for season 3.
Although I gave up on the show, I'm happy for the fans!
Wow! Someone not a fan of a show NOT wishing it to be cancelled because other people like it. That's amazing!
You had to see the problems I had years ago when someone incessantly demanded for the cancellation of ENTERPRISE, and I responded that they should just not watch and let people who enjoy the show go on enjoying the show. What a ruckus. I was brigged for a while, even my avatar was suspect.
You have a great attitude. If someone doesn't like a show, don't watch it. Don't try to get it cancelled because there are people who do like it.
That seems excessive, it's one show that hasn't even aired three seasons yet.
How much of the second season did you watch? Because that is not what happened.
Do we really even need a seperate thread when we already have this one for the whole season. I love the show, but having different threads for every episode was driving crazy this last season. I couldn't even begin to keep up, or keep track of what conversations were going on in what thread.
Halston Sage's pilot got ordered to series at Fox so it might it a little difficult.
She could still pop up on occasion when she has the time, I've seen actors with regular roles still do the occasional guest role every now and then.
I confess I thought the early part of season two was really weak. They had NFL lead ins and strong starter ratings but fell pretty m hard. Too many Moclan episodes and dumb plots. Should have started the show off with something from the second half. I’m just glad it survived.
I'm committed, for now, to doing a separate topic for each episode, as well as the season topics. Maybe the occasional narrow-focus topic.
Someone started a tech topic for the show, but it didn't go anywhere - the gadgets on The Orville are, for the most part, generic and familiar - most of them were widely used in old movie serials before Roddenberry was old enough to vote, and giving them new names and minor innovations probably isn't enough to pique too much ongoing interest.
I'm also not a fan of "How awesome/awful was this episode" polls, with or without "How awesome are the witty little storyline-specific changes I can ring on the ranking labels"* so I won't be adding them.
*Or maybe I'm too lazy to work on puns, I dunno.
Someone started a tech topic for the show, but it didn't go anywhere - the gadgets on The Orville are, for the most part, generic and familiar - most of them were widely used in old movie serials before Roddenberry was old enough to vote, and giving them new names and minor innovations probably isn't enough to pique too much ongoing interest.
I'm also not a fan of "How awesome/awful was this episode" polls, with or without "How awesome are the witty little storyline-specific changes I can ring on the ranking labels"* so I won't be adding them.
*Or maybe I'm too lazy to work on puns, I dunno.
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The comics will probably warrant their own thread, too.
We could have Q like beings that descended from planet that phased in and out of reality, while could have another ascended/sublimed civilisation that has ruins of its super advanced civilisation strewn about.
David Goodman indicated Alara likely won't be back as a regular, though he didn't rule out guest appearances in this interview:
And as already noted above, Halston Sage is in the main cast of a show which has been picked up next season. So she definitely won't be coming back to Orville as a regular, and I wouldn't hold my breath on a guest appearance either.
They did a two part episode about the Kaylon in season 2, with them having a support role in the finale and their ships had a cameo in another episode. This is considered "too much Kaylon"?