Voyager's Doctor on DISCOVERY?

[Farscape One]

I had a thought this morning. In the VOYAGER episode "LIVING WITNESS", The Doctor, or rather his backup program, was reactivated 700 years into the future, roughly placing him around the year 3,074. And at the end, more time passed, 6 more years and 'many years' as a historian said of The Doctor holding position as a surgical leader. He left to find the path of Voyager. Obviously, he would not find them.

But what if his travels got him far enough to meet the Discovery? She's about 950 years in that show's future, putting it around the year 3200. The Doctor was said to be in a small ship heading toward the Alpha Quadrant... quire conceivable it would take him a century or more to get there.

I can see him being a guest star. Anyone else wonder this?

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Do holograms age? Because Mr. Picardo certainly has.

Also that version of the Doctor came from the Delta quadrant, I'm not sure he'd hit what looks like the outer edge of the Beta quadrant.

 

[NewHeavensNewEarth]

It's not a good sign that the species who reactivated him hadn't heard of the Federation by that time. Maybe he will be Control's new puppet and the evil future man.

 

[SJGardner]

Also that version of the Doctor came from the Delta quadrant, I'm not sure he'd hit what looks like the outer edge of the Beta quadrant.

Hmm... that makes me think whether Discovery would use the actual current estimated figure for the Milky Way's diameter of 150-200 thousand light years, which would take them about halfway. But yeah, with a 100 thousand light year Milky Way (lest observable reality discredit the computer displays depicting Voyager's route home from the far edge of the galaxy), the only region of the Beta Quadrant they can jump 50 thousand lightyears into is the very edge of the galaxy, specifically where the Beta and Delta Quadrants meet. The Doctor would have to make a huge detour to hit that.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Hmm... that makes me think whether Discovery would use the actual current estimated figure for the Milky Way's diameter of 150-200 thousand light years, which would take them about halfway. But yeah, with a 100 thousand light year Milky Way (lest observable reality discredit the computer displays depicting Voyager's route home from the far edge of the galaxy), the only region of the Beta Quadrant they can jump 50 thousand lightyears into is the very edge of the galaxy, specifically where the Beta and Delta Quadrants meet. The Doctor would have to make a huge detour to hit that.

What I find weird is the POV of this image of the galaxy, the Beta quadrant in particular. It's like they're looking at it from the far "east" side of the map, or even from the Delta quadrant depending where Terralysium actually is.

 

[Farscape One]

Not necessarily. They could have jumped to where Delta, Beta, and Alpha meet. Voyager had, what... about 25,000-30,000 light years left before the Borg hub? Discovery could have jumped around there, or ended up there at some point. The Doctor could theoretically hit there.

 

[SJGardner]

What I find weird is the POV of this image of the galaxy, the Beta quadrant in particular. It's like they're looking at it from the far "east" side of the map, or even from the Delta quadrant depending where Terralysium actually is.

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Yeah, taking that graphic at face value, the only way their end point could be on the left side of the map is if the part with the labeled stars actually depicts the Delta Quadrant, and I doubt the 23rd century Starfleet has such detailed information about stars that should be right in the middle of Borg Space. The only other explanation is that the map is horizontally mirrored for some reason, which would make the Beta Quadrant appear on the left.

Not necessarily. They could have jumped to where Delta, Beta, and Alpha meet. Voyager had, what... about 25,000-30,000 light years left before the Borg hub? Discovery could have jumped around there, or ended up there at some point. The Doctor could theoretically hit there.

Not if the Galaxy is 100 thousand light years across (e.g. a radius of 50k). Earth is about halfway (about 25-30 thousand light years) from the galactic center wher the quadrants meet, so a 50 thousand light year jump in Voyager's direction would place Discovery squarely into the middle of the Delta Quadrant.

 

[Farscape One]

It's not a good sign that the species who reactivated him hadn't heard of the Federation by that time. Maybe he will be Control's new puppet and the evil future man.

It may be that the Federation never bothered with that sector due to constant wars going on between the Vaskans and Kyrians. There seemed to always be issues with them, and very possible they both destroyed much of their technology before rebuilding to what we saw in that episode.

One good thing that is implied is that the Borg did not assimilate everyone. Given how far they were at that point on the series, in 700 years, the Borg could easily have assimilated the rest of the galaxy.

 

[Dukhat]

Since Discovery already has holograms, a hologram of a curmudgeonly old EMH wouldn’t be anything special.

 

[Yistaan]

It's not a good sign that the species who reactivated him hadn't heard of the Federation by that time. Maybe he will be Control's new puppet and the evil future man.

Well, maybe they've heard of the V'Draysh...

 

[guyute03]

I thought of this as well. Great pseudo-Mirror U episode of Voyager too.
It's possible he could show up, but I know Discovery went to the Beta quadrant, so the EMH would have had to go that way too. Plus they'd have to say he "altered his program to reflect passage of time" or something to account for the actor's age. I love Robert Picardo to death, I genuinely wouldn't have a problem with him showing up for a few episodes or a season.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Yeah, taking that graphic at face value, the only way their end point could be on the left side of the map is if the part with the labeled stars actually depicts the Delta Quadrant, and I doubt the 23rd century Starfleet has such detailed information about stars that should be right in the middle of Borg Space. The only other explanation is that the map is horizontally mirrored for some reason, which would make the Beta Quadrant appear on the left.


Not if the Galaxy is 100 thousand light years across (e.g. a radius of 50k). Earth is about halfway (about 25-30 thousand light years) from the galactic center wher the quadrants meet, so a 50 thousand light year jump in Voyager's direction would place Discovery squarely into the middle of the Delta Quadrant.

Though, if we think about it, there were a lot of upside-down shots of ships in DSC, so maybe they're looking at the galactic map the other way 'round. There's no "up" in space after all.

 

[Tim Thomason]

Do holograms age? Because Mr. Picardo certainly has.

Also that version of the Doctor came from the Delta quadrant, I'm not sure he'd hit what looks like the outer edge of the Beta quadrant.

Holograms can do whatever they want. We didn't see him leave decades later, so perhaps he aged himself (did he have a family again?) before setting off after Voyager.

 

[Tim Thomason]

Though, if we think about it, there were a lot of upside-down shots of ships in DSC, so maybe they're looking at the galactic map the other way 'round. There's no "up" in space after all.

Yeah, there's no "right" way to look at a galactic map. The usual way is:

Gamma - Delta
Alpha - Beta

But if the map is looking from "behind" the galaxy, it'd be:

Delta - Gamma
Beta - Alpha

In fact, the proper (intended) way should reorient the Alpha Quadrant in the top left:

Alpha - Beta
Gamma - Delta

...as that is the Greek order, but this orientation is never used on the shows. The Galaxy Center has always been upwards/North. Beta has always be right or east. This has been the first time we see a slightly different POV in onscreen maps.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Holograms can do whatever they want. We didn't see him leave decades later, so perhaps he aged himself (did he have a family again?) before setting off after Voyager.

Oh sure, the old "aging subroutine" story. How many times have we heard that old chestnut? Maybe he just went for the older Lewis Zimmerman look as an homage?

 

[Tim Thomason]

Oh sure, the old "aging subroutine" story. How many times have we heard that old chestnut? Maybe he just went for the older Lewis Zimmerman look as an homage?

Picardo has never been the picture of youth. They could probably just dye his hair, toss on a Voyager uniform, and call it a day. We could argue about his wrinkles here, but there's no story reason to even acknowledge it. Not that I ever think he'll appear anyway.

 

[Dukhat]

Short answer: Unless there's a story reason why we'd see the EMH, we're not going to see him.

 

[Cyrus]

I will be OK with this.

 

[Tim Thomason]

Short answer: Unless there's a story reason why we'd see the EMH, we're not going to see him.

Well that applies for anything. But the show, contrary to popular opinion, can be a slave to canon, referencing anything and everything they could in the 2250s.

I don't expect a Picardo appearance. But I'd be very surprised if there isn't some sort of oblique reference to Daniels' time-traveling Federation group of the century prior.

 

[seigezunt]

As God is my witness, though, if Neelix shows up I will rampage