The best part is that people are actually QUOTING the apparent spoilers, meaning they're still showing on the page even after the original posters edit the spoilers out of their messages.
Spoilers Game of Thrones: The Final Season
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The best part is that people are actually QUOTING the apparent spoilers, meaning they're still showing on the page even after the original posters edit the spoilers out of their messages.
A tactical analysis of the tactical fail:
https://www.wired.com/story/game-of-thrones-winterfell-battle-tactical-analysis/
https://www.wired.com/story/game-of-thrones-winterfell-battle-tactical-analysis/
I don't even know how to process this. It's a fantasy, so there's no reason to present a believable battle? Wouldn't you have appreciated seeing sensible tactics, rather than people just running at each other with no apparent plan? Even a fantasy story has to generate suspension of disbelief, and make you think it's real while you're watching.
Thinking about this more and more, only Arya could have killed the Night King.
Sure, in an epic sword fight, Jon Snow may have got the job done, but for the same reason Yoda and Obi Wan couldn't face the Emperor in a rematch, Jon Snow couldn't be the one to take down the Night King. Why? Because just like we saw in the episode, he couldn't get to him.
The Night King saw Jon Snow coming, and raised more dead to stop him.
Of the people at the battle, ONLY Arya would have had the skills necessary to get to the Night King.
Could Jaqen have done this job? I believe he could have, but he wasn't there. Each of the people Arya spent time with could have done the deed, but it was a combination of everything that made Arya the only one at the battle to be able to succeed.
Syrio taught her bravery. To look at the God of Death and say, "not today." He taught her the swift movements that made her hard to hit. This enabled her to take out a lot of dead people, and helped her stay alive. Melisandre's words reminded her of her first teacher.
Ned Stark was the most honorable man she ever would know, and of course her father. He taught her right from wrong, and instilled the importance of family. Her love for her father and his horrible death fueled her desires for revenge, fuel that was lit harder from the other deaths of her family. It also was her motivation to return home and keep her humanity. That leap to kill the Night King was more than a leap to save the world--at least to Arya. She was protecting her younger brother above all else. Family.
The Hound taught her that sometimes you have to fight dirty and there are hard lessons in life.
And of course, Jaqen taught her the stealth skills, and arguably the ability to fight in the dark--probably where she perfected switching hands without looking. Maybe he knew her destiny too.
I think that at least in this universe, the Lord of Light is the true god, and he manipulated everything to get Arya to that spot.
Without those stealth skills, Arya doesn't get close to the Night King. Even with them, he caught her midair, showing how formidable his own skills were. But she had that one extra move, the ability to blindly switch hands and make one final thrust--a result of the years of training.
But here's my worry. Most GOT fans are beyond pumped over this story.
They are looking at what Arya did and smiling. Some of the reactions on Youtube are insane. Arya Stark may be more popular than Tony Stark right now, and that's saying a lot.
But there are 3 episodes left. If Arya's purpose was to kill the Night King, where does she go from here? Cersei does have green eyes, and technically, that means Arya still has to kill her. But Melisandre has been wrong before. I can almost see a similar leap as with the Night King, only to see Arya killed by the Hound setting off the Clegane Bowl.
I hope not. GOT fans are on a massive high right now, due to Arya. If she doesn't survive the next 3 episodes, I think a lot of fans will be gutted.
Sure, in an epic sword fight, Jon Snow may have got the job done, but for the same reason Yoda and Obi Wan couldn't face the Emperor in a rematch, Jon Snow couldn't be the one to take down the Night King. Why? Because just like we saw in the episode, he couldn't get to him.
The Night King saw Jon Snow coming, and raised more dead to stop him.
Of the people at the battle, ONLY Arya would have had the skills necessary to get to the Night King.
Could Jaqen have done this job? I believe he could have, but he wasn't there. Each of the people Arya spent time with could have done the deed, but it was a combination of everything that made Arya the only one at the battle to be able to succeed.
Syrio taught her bravery. To look at the God of Death and say, "not today." He taught her the swift movements that made her hard to hit. This enabled her to take out a lot of dead people, and helped her stay alive. Melisandre's words reminded her of her first teacher.
Ned Stark was the most honorable man she ever would know, and of course her father. He taught her right from wrong, and instilled the importance of family. Her love for her father and his horrible death fueled her desires for revenge, fuel that was lit harder from the other deaths of her family. It also was her motivation to return home and keep her humanity. That leap to kill the Night King was more than a leap to save the world--at least to Arya. She was protecting her younger brother above all else. Family.
The Hound taught her that sometimes you have to fight dirty and there are hard lessons in life.
And of course, Jaqen taught her the stealth skills, and arguably the ability to fight in the dark--probably where she perfected switching hands without looking. Maybe he knew her destiny too.
I think that at least in this universe, the Lord of Light is the true god, and he manipulated everything to get Arya to that spot.
Without those stealth skills, Arya doesn't get close to the Night King. Even with them, he caught her midair, showing how formidable his own skills were. But she had that one extra move, the ability to blindly switch hands and make one final thrust--a result of the years of training.
But here's my worry. Most GOT fans are beyond pumped over this story.
They are looking at what Arya did and smiling. Some of the reactions on Youtube are insane. Arya Stark may be more popular than Tony Stark right now, and that's saying a lot.
But there are 3 episodes left. If Arya's purpose was to kill the Night King, where does she go from here? Cersei does have green eyes, and technically, that means Arya still has to kill her. But Melisandre has been wrong before. I can almost see a similar leap as with the Night King, only to see Arya killed by the Hound setting off the Clegane Bowl.
I hope not. GOT fans are on a massive high right now, due to Arya. If she doesn't survive the next 3 episodes, I think a lot of fans will be gutted.
The Night King was never the main antagonist of the show. Up until this episode he had less screen time than Walder Frey. He had no lines of dialogue. Aside from a few half smirks, he displayed no emotion. We only got a tiny bit of his motivation from Bran's silly exposition - nothing from him.
The Night King is a plot device, not a character.
Also, if you subscribe to the belief that this is all the Jon/Dany show fundamentally, it would be really underwhelming from an arc perspective if Jon fulfilled his destiny with three episodes left to go. That holds whether he survives or makes a heroic sacrifice.
I liked this episode a good amount but I also don't think it's the best GOT episode ever. I even think some previous battles in the show were done better (and not at night). I think the whole Night King character turned out to be a waste. Because they chose to give the army of the dead a face we could relate to (similar to the Borg Queen) they needed to give him a bit more backstory or at least motivation. Instead he's just a 2-dimensional evil monster who wants to kill the main characters for whatever reason. Keeping the army of the dead to just the white walkers and the dead would have worked better as it would be a faceless evil and dark foe. A character like the Night King needs motivation. I also disliked the dragon battles.
What I did like was Arya's storyline and how it seemed everything that has happened to her throughout the series led to this moment. Yes, she killed the Night King pretty easily (it turns out any puncturing by a piece of dragon glass would have done it) but it at least brought a few things full circle.
What I did like was Arya's storyline and how it seemed everything that has happened to her throughout the series led to this moment. Yes, she killed the Night King pretty easily (it turns out any puncturing by a piece of dragon glass would have done it) but it at least brought a few things full circle.
Really? Then they probably shouldn't have wasted everyones time by showing his backstory, some of his motivations and building him up since season 2 and his relationship to Bran and have Jon Snow freaking out about having to fight him for 2 seasons. As a plot device whats the point of him or the white walkers or the army of the dead, If not to serve as a greater nebulous threat that will wipe out humanity if the people of Westeros don;t get their shit together? It's not like they needed the Army of the Dead to unite everyone against Cersei, considering the north already fucking hates her. It's such shit writing and screams of writers not knowing what to do with the arc, or being bored with it. Seriously, Cersei is a greater threat than an ancient magical being who can raise the dead? What a load of shit.
Well I wouldn't have had him kill the Night's King in Episode 3 for starters.
Seriously these videos sum up how I feel pretty well:
^ If people got the wrong idea about what the 'endgame' to this story is going to be, it's not the fault of the story or the storytellers.
Ok sure. Game of Thrones is clearly above any attempts of criticism and anyone who thinks they are doing a shit job are too stupid to understand such a 'deep and intelligent' story. Is that it?Do you know what intended ending was supposed to be?
Please enlighten us.
What, you don't want Sam the Slayer at your side? Kidding aside, Sam is a smart guy who knows a lot of things. He'd definitely be someone I'd want traveling with my army. At the very, very least, he'd be good at figuring out supplies.
I wish what they would have gone with is Jon and Dany winning the victory at Winterfell, only to realize that the Night King went the bigger part of his forces and attacked King's Landing. I think that would have been great storyline wise.
D and D have certainly made a lot of questionable decisions with this show and I think that was again on display this past episode. George certainly isn't above criticism too as his undisciplined style of writing and his clear lack of interest in finishing the story has helped lead things to where they are now storywise with the show.
Right...it's literally THE TITLE.
GRRM has stated that, although the specifics might differ, the general strokes of the conclusion to the ASoIaF story in both the television series and the novels will be similar, so this isn't something that David and Dan conjured up out of nowhere.
It's easy to "armchair quarterback" and complain about how this decision was "bad", but criticism borne from ignorance of facts and context doesn't really hold a lot of weight.
It's easy to "armchair quarterback" and complain about how this decision was "bad", but criticism borne from ignorance of facts and context doesn't really hold a lot of weight.
I think the balls are intact......just the sausage was flayed......shudder.
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