Except when the governance is the evil in question, which is the story for this season.
Supergirl - Season Four
- Thread starter Kai "the spy"
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The government isn't evil though. It is corrupted. There is a difference. It is something that is within the power of humans to correct via elections.
I think Supergirl actually could make a difference by simply going on tv and talking to the people. That's something I have noticed that is kind of missing. IN "Superman" back in 1978 He was not above giving speeches and lets not forget he gave a interview to Lois Lane.
That is what she should have done way earlier. Actually address the people as Supergirl. Let people know what she thinks. I think we are actually seeing one of the negative effects of what would come with being such a character. A character with the amount of power she and Superman have who people don't know anything about is just asking for trouble because their power is to strong and everyone has got to know in some level if these people go bad the world might suffer from it. Of course she should have never been working with the government to begin with and not sure why she thought that would be a good idea.
Jason
I said governance, not government, which is something we deal with in real life in different countries and eras.
Supergirl did give a speech in a previous season and she marched with the people this season so she isn't above that either. I do think that the resolution is going to have to deal with winning the will of the people somehow--perhaps she might even have to publicly turn herself in to give her a platform to do that. Regardless, I think it is an interesting season and I like that they have changed things up this year.
I agree. This is my favorite season of the show. I think the season will end somehow with her saving the President from Lex Luthor. Lena Luthor then will decide to run for President and next season will involve a election to coincide with real life. The irony or switch being the Democrat has the guy who is sort of the stand in for Trump and Lena who has done some things that makes you think she might be Republican being the stand in for whoever gets the nod.
Jason
Jason
Perhaps. The Republicans were not always the "bad" party of course. That started with Nixon and then the moral majority and corporations quietly took control in the eighties. Before that, there was a distinct separation between ethical/social conservatism and liberalness. The Democratic party fought against a lot of the important social reforms before that. Equating social values with economic values is relatively new in U.S. politics.
That said, it would be a great move on the part of Supergirl if the Republican president became the defender of human rights.
That said, it would be a great move on the part of Supergirl if the Republican president became the defender of human rights.
I'm ignoring that which was not a part of my point. No one is obliged to jump to a road you decided to take, having no bearing on the original point.
Either address what I posted:
Supergirl exists and operates as an unofficial enforcer of laws in a nation built on laws. There's no getting around that.. If she disagrees with a law or political motion fine, but for anyone to threaten "they can try to stop me" after she's been accused of terrorism is the height of arrogance and stupidity, making her very real danger she's been set up to be.
...and...
Textbook strawman argument, since my point was not about following the anti-alien directives, but as an identified super powered, lawless threat to humanity, she should not run around thinking she is some enforcer of the law, when she's a fugitive who should not be so arrogant / drunk with power that she dares the legal representatives to stop her. Again, she only provides a wealth of evidence to support the Lex plot that she is that aforementioned super powered, lawless threat to humanity.
...or continue to make strawman arguments based on whatever desire you have to avoid discussing what the Supergirl character is doing to herself. No one ever suggested she follow the anti-alien directives. That was not even a whisper of the issue, no matter how many times you repeat that, so address the actual point--that Supergirl--knowing she's a superpowered being accused of terrorism (with eyewitnesses to the attack) refuses to even lay low until she's exonerated, instead, she dares the law to stop her from acting as law enforcement.
You can dodge or spin that one until doomsday, but there is no excuse for her behavior, particularly if she has an interest in proving her innocence. That's not going to happen when he works against her own interests by giving the finger to the law, which will place her and the public in greater danger. Obviously, she's not doing herself any favors.
That's just what Lena was saying half a season ago, and what Lex Luthor always says.
Proving her innocence will happen when she fights Russian Supergirl on live television.
The thing is, Russo-Supergirl IS a murderer and deserves to be locked up.
The thing is, Russo-Supergirl IS a murderer and deserves to be locked up.
Although she's been manipulated into doing it, so there are extenuating circumstances. She shouldn't get off scot-free, but she shouldn't be held solely accountable for Luthor's schemes.
Also, locked up where? In the Phantom Zone? As we saw in Elseworlds, even STAR Labs' power-damping cells can't completely negate a Kryptonian's powers. (Although if Deegan had known more about Kryptonians, he might've supplemented the cell with red-sun lamps -- that could've done the trick.)
I did already address it--and you warped my response into something it wasn't....so we are done here.
Yes we are, since you rocketed off on a tangent fueled by something no one in this thread said or suggested.
Mote. Eye.
More nonsense.
Supergirl
Season 4 / episode 19 - "American Dreamer"
SG/Kara: SG - Its about time she sees the light and stops making her own situation worse with that
"If the government wants to stop me from helping people, let then try" position.
It was refreshing to see her actually being a reporter again.
Lena was right--Kara has not been around, not for Lena and certainty not for her "best friend" James, who is still not in the clear with the effects of Lena's treatment. .
Lena: Lena being evasive about the Ameritek question. She has secrets all over the place, but her ultimate plans are still a question mark---aside from getting revenge on her brother, no matter how much she seems to be cooperating with Kara.
James / Kelly: This was the best use of James in series history. Finally, there's a direct tie to his pre-series life of trauma regarding his father (and history with Lex).
Note the expression on James' face when Brainy told him he would be able to control the superpowers once he managed the PTSD attacks. Hopefully, this series will not have James lose the powers (or his life), and explore a question that is at the heart of humans feeling powerless against aliens with otherworldy abilities (see: Alex's speech about that several episodes back), and how James will respond to that. He is a unique position, and should have a perspective that does not fall to one side or another.
If he keeps his powers (and lives), the character should be involved in the Lex matter, not only to help Kara, but to exorcise his long-lived demons generated by abuse at Lex's hands. Despite the main focus being his father (in this episode), his history with Lex should not be swept under the carpet.
Lockwood / George Lockwood: Telegraphing George possibly betraying his father. All too convenient.
Now that his wife has been murdered by the alien woman (and let's see if that's ever really addressed) Lockwood is finally going where I imagined he would all along--enhancing himself, as we will see in the next episode.
Now there's the matter with his son; if his mother was murdered by an alien, there is no believable way he's going to continue to work against his father--or blame him for the actions of another.
Nia: Nia being a crimefighter has to involve more than going after CoL and / or government agents. Moreover, she's simply setting herself up to be another fugitive by attacking government representatives. Who did not tell her that has to be the likely outcome?
A puff piece on Dreamer--if played realistically--should not do much to alter or erase the greater issues regarding the alien matter, no one speech ever accomplishes that, and now that she's attacked more government representatives...
NOTES: The showrunners really love walking the Pollyanna route with episodes like this. If they have any creative bravery at all, there should be consequences for the Catco incident (e.g.,James attacking Lockwood) beyond the expected street brawl. Then, there's the Haley matter--what will her reaction be if she finds out Alex and Brainy participated in the attack?
The best or most promising part of Dreamer is a slight edge toward being spooky--at least in how she faces people. I've always said she should have a nightmare quality about her use of her powers, which would really set her apart from any other superpowered character on the show.
GRADE: C+
Season 4 / episode 19 - "American Dreamer"
SG/Kara: SG - Its about time she sees the light and stops making her own situation worse with that
"If the government wants to stop me from helping people, let then try" position.
It was refreshing to see her actually being a reporter again.
Lena was right--Kara has not been around, not for Lena and certainty not for her "best friend" James, who is still not in the clear with the effects of Lena's treatment. .
Lena: Lena being evasive about the Ameritek question. She has secrets all over the place, but her ultimate plans are still a question mark---aside from getting revenge on her brother, no matter how much she seems to be cooperating with Kara.
James / Kelly: This was the best use of James in series history. Finally, there's a direct tie to his pre-series life of trauma regarding his father (and history with Lex).
Note the expression on James' face when Brainy told him he would be able to control the superpowers once he managed the PTSD attacks. Hopefully, this series will not have James lose the powers (or his life), and explore a question that is at the heart of humans feeling powerless against aliens with otherworldy abilities (see: Alex's speech about that several episodes back), and how James will respond to that. He is a unique position, and should have a perspective that does not fall to one side or another.
If he keeps his powers (and lives), the character should be involved in the Lex matter, not only to help Kara, but to exorcise his long-lived demons generated by abuse at Lex's hands. Despite the main focus being his father (in this episode), his history with Lex should not be swept under the carpet.
Lockwood / George Lockwood: Telegraphing George possibly betraying his father. All too convenient.
Now that his wife has been murdered by the alien woman (and let's see if that's ever really addressed) Lockwood is finally going where I imagined he would all along--enhancing himself, as we will see in the next episode.
Now there's the matter with his son; if his mother was murdered by an alien, there is no believable way he's going to continue to work against his father--or blame him for the actions of another.
Nia: Nia being a crimefighter has to involve more than going after CoL and / or government agents. Moreover, she's simply setting herself up to be another fugitive by attacking government representatives. Who did not tell her that has to be the likely outcome?
A puff piece on Dreamer--if played realistically--should not do much to alter or erase the greater issues regarding the alien matter, no one speech ever accomplishes that, and now that she's attacked more government representatives...
NOTES: The showrunners really love walking the Pollyanna route with episodes like this. If they have any creative bravery at all, there should be consequences for the Catco incident (e.g.,James attacking Lockwood) beyond the expected street brawl. Then, there's the Haley matter--what will her reaction be if she finds out Alex and Brainy participated in the attack?
The best or most promising part of Dreamer is a slight edge toward being spooky--at least in how she faces people. I've always said she should have a nightmare quality about her use of her powers, which would really set her apart from any other superpowered character on the show.
GRADE: C+
Pretty effective episode overall, but doesn't Dreamer revealing so much personal information on TV make it easy for people to figure out her secret identity? Also, it was weird to tie James's trauma in to some random painful memory from childhood rather than the whole Lex Luthor plotline or anything else that's been ongoing, but I guess the point was to let James and Kelly work through their sibling tension. I guess I'm disappointed that we didn't get to see more of his Metropolis backstory.
Also, it was weird to end on that scene on Mars that had no real drama or suspense to it but was just a mechanical plot beat (and the CG animation on the apparition of M'yrrn's face looked even more mechanical).
And with all the dialogue about not hiding your true self and so on, it's getting more annoying that Brainy sticks with using his image inducer no matter what.
Also, it was weird to end on that scene on Mars that had no real drama or suspense to it but was just a mechanical plot beat (and the CG animation on the apparition of M'yrrn's face looked even more mechanical).
And with all the dialogue about not hiding your true self and so on, it's getting more annoying that Brainy sticks with using his image inducer no matter what.
^^Doesn't Brainy need to stick with his image inducer, given the fact that aliens truly are "persona non grata"?
As for Kara being a "bad friend", IIRC Lena has been hiding from James and Kara for months due to her Harunel experiments even before Lex entered the picture. The Lex complication and the guilt ladled upon her from her Mom re same confirmed to Lena that she could not go to her friends.
A better argument re friendship works both ways would have been that Lena's confession should have been a wonderful time for Kara to fess up about her own secret (identity), but the show runners and Katie McGrath seem to like having someone in the dark re Kara's identity so that confession is unlikely in the near future.
Which is a shame.
Without Alex and Lena as outlets, Kara is the one who is truly alone. James is forever tainted as the "ex", Brainy is just weird
and Nia/Dreamer is too young to be Kara's own mother confessor.
I did like the fact that whatever Lex Luthor did to James over the years, it was nothing compared to what James, as a child, had done to himself over his failure to get to his dad's funeral. I also liked seeing how the trauma of his abandoning his sister at the funeral probably propelled her into her current line of work. I really liked seeing James show up at Catco and kick Lockwood out of the building in the name of freedom of the press.
As for Alex, not only do I miss her and Supergirl, I miss her being "brainy" in her own right.
As for Kara being a "bad friend", IIRC Lena has been hiding from James and Kara for months due to her Harunel experiments even before Lex entered the picture. The Lex complication and the guilt ladled upon her from her Mom re same confirmed to Lena that she could not go to her friends.
A better argument re friendship works both ways would have been that Lena's confession should have been a wonderful time for Kara to fess up about her own secret (identity), but the show runners and Katie McGrath seem to like having someone in the dark re Kara's identity so that confession is unlikely in the near future.
Which is a shame.
Without Alex and Lena as outlets, Kara is the one who is truly alone. James is forever tainted as the "ex", Brainy is just weird
and Nia/Dreamer is too young to be Kara's own mother confessor.I did like the fact that whatever Lex Luthor did to James over the years, it was nothing compared to what James, as a child, had done to himself over his failure to get to his dad's funeral. I also liked seeing how the trauma of his abandoning his sister at the funeral probably propelled her into her current line of work. I really liked seeing James show up at Catco and kick Lockwood out of the building in the name of freedom of the press.
As for Alex, not only do I miss her and Supergirl, I miss her being "brainy" in her own right.
This season has just not been good -- except when they actually focused on stories instead of politics. They might as well renamed the show Liberalgirl.
That's exactly my point. It's contradictory when he continues to do that even while professing to stand up for truth and being yourself, and even when he's actively fighting Lockwood's troops, a context where it would make more sense to hide his "Agent Dox" face from view. They're avoiding the use of his alien makeup, either for budgetary reasons or for the actor's comfort, and sometimes that makes sense in-story, but in cases like this it actively works against the story context.
You can recognize that Lockwood is a Nazi and Baker is a weasel without an ounce of honor?
Opposing Nazi's, should be a very conservative dealio, that every US President should be able to get behind.
These are not Nazis--they are Trump and his supporters, being portrayed as Nazis, completely mischaracterizing the issues as they are today.
The idea that a US government would behave this way is abhorrent, and it also a terrible creative decision. All because the writers are butthurt that Trump won.
