Spoilers Game of Thrones: The Final Season

[137th Gebirg]

I have a question regarding the Night King:
I haven't read the books but in the TV series it has been indicated that the dead dudes attack every 1000 years or so , that is why the built the wall. Does the NK get killed every time and somehow gets resurrected (kind of like the Borg Queen)?

Also after the dragon fire failed to kill him, it seemed like the NK smiled, which was creepy.

There is no Night King in the books. He was invented for the show. It's possible he could be introduced in the 6th or 7th books though, but that doesn't seem likely.

Well, there was the Night’s King of ancient legend, who lived during the Age of Heroes, that did some pretty horrific things, including “making sacrifices to the Others” (basically, the White Walkers). It’s possible the show writers latched onto that legend and retooled it for the show. But, yes, there was no direct analogue in the books. Then again, there are still two more books planned that nobody’s read yet (if ever). Perhaps there is a driving force behind the approach of winter that we haven’t seen yet.

 

[DigificWriter]

There's literally only 3 episodes left. Cersei isn't the Boss. She's Saruman in the Shire.

Conleth Hill disagrees with you, and the entire series up to this point says otherwise.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Conleth Hill disagrees with you, and the entire series up to this point says otherwise.

He disagree's that there are only 3 episodes left?

 

[DigificWriter]

He disagree's that there are only 3 episodes left?

No, he disagrees that Cersei isn't the "boss", as you put it.

As he said in an article I linked to earlier, the Army of the Dead was not the biggest threat facing our heroes... Cersei is.

And the entire rest of the series up to this point supports that viewpoint.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

No, he disagrees that Cersei isn't the "boss", as you put it.

As he said in an article I linked to earlier, the Army of the Dead was not the biggest threat facing our heroes... Cersei is.

And the entire rest of the series up to this point supports that viewpoint.

I didn't put anything. I'm not the poster you were originally responding to *Jedi hand wave*

The Army of Darkness not being the main threat pretty much goes against what was set up in the first scene of the series and basically what Jon had been saying ad nauseum of the last two seasons. Cersei getting her comeuppance at the hands of the Night's King would have been much more satisfying that what we're probably going to get.

 

[crookeddy]

No, he disagrees that Cersei isn't the "boss", as you put it.

As he said in an article I linked to earlier, the Army of the Dead was not the biggest threat facing our heroes... Cersei is.

And the entire rest of the series up to this point supports that viewpoint.

The thing is they made Cersei a victim too many times. We understand her too well. She's not scary. She's pitiful.

 

[Cyrus]

Well, that's me done. What a bullshit ending to a storyline that has been building since the FIRST SCENE of the show.

Game of Thrones can Game of Fuck off

Yes, it is right that the army of the dead/white walker story line has been building up since the first scene of the series. That is why I (wrongfully) predicted this episode will not be the end of them.

But GoT is more of a drama series with elements of fantasy than a fantasy series, that is the main reason I like it so much. The Forbes review of this episode said this better than I can:

That's the funny thing about this piece of Game of Thrones, and of Martin's A Song Of Ice And Fire. In one sense, it's an epic fantasy filled with magic and villains out of legend and magical swords. In another sense, it's a story about knights and kings and peasants, petty betrayals and castrations both real and metaphorical.

That's why I hoped that tonight we would resolve the epic fantasy half of this story, that we would put to rest all this Azor Ahai business and defeat the Night King and move back to what the real beating heart of this story is—and that isn't a story about wights and dragons, but about the game of thrones.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikka...-8-episode-3-review-the-battle-of-winterfell/

 

[Charles Phipps]

No, he disagrees that Cersei isn't the "boss", as you put it.

As he said in an article I linked to earlier, the Army of the Dead was not the biggest threat facing our heroes... Cersei is.

And the entire rest of the series up to this point supports that viewpoint.

I'm willing to bet real money that Cersei is no threat whatsoever to our heroes. I predict it will go like this:

Episode 4: Denoument
Episode 5: Attack Cersei and all of her armies abandon her (AFFC)
Episode 6: Epilogue

The thing is they made Cersei a victim too many times. We understand her too well. She's not scary. She's pitiful.

I think an easier answer is that they still have two dragons and Cersei has none.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

I'm calling it now, The fate of the Seven Kingdoms will be decided by a drinking contest. Cersei VS. Tyrion whoever drinks the most wine without vomiting wins the Iron throne.

 

[Charles Phipps]

Spoiler

Remember A Feast for Crows has Cersei's fleet abandon her because she trusted and bedded a scoundrel.

I'm fairly sure Euron isn't going to fight for her.

 

[Masiral]

Both dragons are alive. They're in the trailer for next week's episode. Ghost is MIA. He was in that disastrous first charge, with the Dothraki and Jorah.

Ghost is in the trailer too, very briefly. It looks like they're having a massive funeral, and he's standing behind Sam.

Aren't they (knights of Vale?) already part of the North army, led by that sour puss Royce who was no where to be found in this episode?

The Knights of the Vale were there, standing behind Brienne and Jaime at the beginning of the battle (round shields, blue with a white falcon).

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Yes, it is right that the army of the dead/white walker story line has been building up since the first scene of the series. That is why I (wrongfully) predicted this episode will not be the end of them.

But GoT is more of a drama series with elements of fantasy than a fantasy series, that is the main reason I like it so much. The Forbes review of this episode said this better than I can:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikka...-8-episode-3-review-the-battle-of-winterfell/

That's the funny thing about this piece of Game of Thrones, and of Martin's A Song Of Ice And Fire. In one sense, it's an epic fantasy filled with magic and villains out of legend and magical swords. In another sense, it's a story about knights and kings and peasants, petty betrayals and castrations both real and metaphorical.

That's why I hoped that tonight we would resolve the epic fantasy half of this story, that we would put to rest all this Azor Ahai business and defeat the Night King and move back to what the real beating heart of this story is—and that isn't a story about wights and dragons, but about the game of thrones.

I guess I just don't care about any of the political stuff. What interested me in the story was how the petty human squabbles were playing out against the mysterious and existential threat of the White Walkers and the return of magic and dragons. To me the White Walkers represented natural forces and the cosmic scale, and i feel like there was a massive missed opportunity to explore how the fight for the iron throne, which is really the human condition made manifest is utterly meaningless in the face of those natural forces. I feel like they went for a typical hollywood ending instead of something that could have really subverted the genre.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Spoiler

Remember A Feast for Crows has Cersei's fleet abandon her because she trusted and bedded a scoundrel.

I'm fairly sure Euron isn't going to fight for her.

Spoiler: I wouldn't be surprised....

If Euron kills Cersei and with his fleet and the Gold Company at his command usurps the throne

 

[DigificWriter]

I
The Army of Darkness not being the main threat pretty much goes against what was set up in the first scene of the series and basically what Jon had been saying ad nauseum of the last two seasons.

Not really.

GRRM was inspired to write the books after reading accounts of the historical Wars of the Roses; he just added Fantasy and Supernatural elements in order to make the novels more than just a fictional retelling of those conflicts.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Not really.

GRRM was inspired to write the books after reading accounts of the historical Wars of the Roses; he just added Fantasy and Supernatural elements in order to make the novels more than just a fictional retelling of those conflicts.

I'm glad i never bothered to invest the energy to read them.

 

[theenglish]

Well, there was the Night’s King of ancient legend, who lived during the Age of Heroes, that did some pretty horrific things, including “making sacrifices to the Others” (basically, the White Walkers). It’s possible the show writers latched onto that legend and retooled it for the show. But, yes, there was no direct analogue in the books. Then again, there are still two more books planned that nobody’s read yet (if ever). Perhaps there is a driving force behind the approach of winter that we haven’t seen yet.

And consider where the books have ended at this point. Bran has only just been told that he will never walk again but he will fly and Jon Snow has just been attacked by his men. When did we first see the Night King in the series?

I am sure that the king's backstory will be much deeper and remarkable if and when he appears in the books.

 

[Charles Phipps]

The Night King of the books is meant to be a cautionary tale rather than the backstory of Sauron.

Because they left off the big part of the Night King's story.

1. He's the former Commander of the Nights Watch
2. He's a STARK.

 

[DigificWriter]

I'm glad i never bothered to invest the energy to read them.

And yet you invested the time and energy to watch the TV series under false pretenses without once bothering to learn what the inspiration for its source material actually was.

 

[theenglish]

The Night King of the books is meant to be a cautionary tale rather than the backstory of Sauron.

Because they left off the big part of the Night King's story.

1. He's the former Commander of the Nights Watch
2. He's a STARK.

Do you remember where that story was told? I would like to go back and find it.

 

[EnderAKH]

I guess I just don't care about any of the political stuff. What interested me in the story was how the petty human squabbles were playing out against the mysterious and existential threat of the White Walkers and the return of magic and dragons.

For me it is almost the polar opposite. I care little for the white walkers and am much more interested in the political maneuverings of the houses for the iron throne. But then, I always liked Duke Leto and the political maneuverings of the Harkonnens vs the Atreides in the first third of Dune to the Fremen stuff that comes after.