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Spoilers Game of Thrones: The Final Season

he showed up in the background for a second in the Night's Watch reunion scene, so he got paid this episode!
 
That's what the writers want you to think is happening on the surface of things, but there are subtler clues to the contrary that are brought out by Gwendolyne's performance.
Oooh I have a great chance to do what you like to do! In the end of the episode there are talks with the show runners and they confirmed that she has feeling for Jaime, but has never loved a man before, so she can't quite figure out what these feelings mean.
 
Oooh I have a great chance to do what you like to do! In the end of the episode there are talks with the show runners and they confirmed that she has feeling for Jaime, but has never loved a man before, so she can't quite figure out what these feelings mean.

And I disagree with them.

Which is usually rare, but has happened 3 times already this season and we've only had two episodes.

I disagree with how they wrote Sansa in the season premiere, I disagree with how they wrote Jon in this episode, and I disagree with how they characterized the "Jaime knights Brienne" scene and what was going through Brienne's mind during it.
 
OK, from a strategic standpoint, it makes more sense if the White walkers (or the majority minus a feint) avoid Jon et al and head straight for King's landing. Jon's forces are prepared and armed for a confrontation with White walkers; Circe is not. That doesn't require prescience, it just requires a bit of logic. Attacking King's Landing first and moving north would cut Jon off from any possible support and supplies.
No, that doesn't make strategic sense at all. If the White Walkers just head on south towards Kings Landing, they'll have a large force attacking them from the rear the entire way south. Not a good scenario.

However, if the Night King split his forces and put enough troops into pinning the forces in Winterfell while rest went down to King Landing . . .

But my sense is that the Night King has enough forces to swamp Winterfell. Might as well defeat the forces in Winterfell for good and increase their own forces in the process before rolling south.
 
David and Dan aren't "rushing through" anything, because the plan from the very beginning was to create a 73-episode narrative experience, and that's exactly what they've done.
So, why are you complaining about them wasting time then? It seems like it's all according to plan.
 
One things for sure, lots of white walkers and all kinds of things and people are going to die next week. How many of the major players go down is a guess, but there'll be some. If you're prone to that sort of thing, keep some hankies on hand. LOL
 
And I disagree with them.

Which is usually rare, but has happened 3 times already this season and we've only had two episodes.

I disagree with how they wrote Sansa in the season premiere, I disagree with how they wrote Jon in this episode, and I disagree with how they characterized the "Jaime knights Brienne" scene and what was going through Brienne's mind during it.
Oh well, it's their story not yours/ours.
 
Prediction for next week's episode: Beric will find himself facing off against the Night King, either deliberately or accidentally, as a diversion to allow Arya to sneak up on him with all of us expecting a heroic moment for both of them...and then it will all turn to shit.
I think their plan for the Night King is ridiculous and doomed for failure! One theme of this episode was underestimating an opponent (i.e., Cersei).

How likely is it that the Night King would fall for such an obvious trap? Not very! He'll sense Bran there and simply command thousands of troops to take him. Attempting to isolate the Night King given their situation is a fools errand. He's surrounded by hundreds of thousands of troops. We have to assume he has some intelligence.

No, I think the good guys will pay dearly for the gambit of risking a top asset. I'm guessing that Bran survives, but at great cost. The Night King will also survive, and I think the battle heads south.
 
Anyone else think Tyrion's prediction that all the boozers will survive the battle will come true? I figure the White Walkers will be no match for their Westerosi drunken boxing style.
 
My thinking is episode 3 puts to bed any idea the throne means a damn. At least, to anyone who gives a damn about the greater good.
I'd agree. I think episode 3 ends in disaster. Some characters will be able to flee, but mostly a disaster. That's when the real sense of desperation, and hey, we're fighting for our survival sinks in. Maybe even Cersei will get it?
 
I'd agree. I think episode 3 ends in disaster. Some characters will be able to flee, but mostly a disaster. That's when the real sense of desperation, and hey, we're fighting for our survival sinks in. Maybe even Cersei will get it?
I sincerely doubt Cersei will get it (at least not until close to the very, very end). She's a back biting, power hungry type person who wants things to herself.
 
I want it to be next week already, but at the same time I'm not quite ready to say bye to people. It's going to get very messy. :eek:

There were lots of wonderful scenes this week about people possibly spending their last hours doing things. It was quite melancholy, but also funny in place.
 
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I sincerely doubt Cersei will get it (at least not until close to the very, very end). She's a back biting, power hungry type person who wants things to herself.
If she hears that Winterfell was taken with ease and the dead have increased in numbers and heading towards her, it might prompt a rethink. Even if it doesn't, she'll be on the receiving end soon enough!
 
If she hears that Winterfell was taken with ease and the dead have increased in numbers and heading towards her, it might prompt a rethink. Even if it doesn't, she'll be on the receiving end soon enough!
Maybe, but she's damn stubborn. That's one of her biggest flaws right there. Her own stubbornness and ego could spell the end of her.
 
Maybe, but she's damn stubborn. That's one of her biggest flaws right there. Her own stubbornness and ego could spell the end of her.
That's definitely possible. However, her sense of survival might win out. I guess we'll see! Ultimately, I think she's a survivor and will be one of the last ones standing.
 
Yes, Dany is fireproof. But Jon has literally come back from the dead. I think their The One credentials are roughly similar.

Also, Jon has made no claim. You're talking about the only person in Westeros who doesn't want to be King. If Jon were to take the throne, it would be only as a call of duty, something he felt honor bound to do because it was necessary. The problem is that Dany can't see him as anything but a threat. Because, despite all her talk of "breaking the wheel" and changing society for people, it's all been predicated on her being at the top. Like Cersei, Dany wants, demands, and will kill for power, for power's sake.

We, the audience, know that Dany can be a good, just, and noble ruler. But we've seen how far she's willing to go for "her" throne. Even in the face of the end of the world, it's LITERALLY the first thought she has when Jon reveals his secret. Not, "I'm no longer alone!", not "Oh lord I'm sleeping with my nephew!" Just straight to "You're a challenger and a threat!" That doesn't make her a hero, that doesn't make her a good ruler. That makes her a power mad despot in waiting.

The next move has never been Jon's. It will be Dany's. Can she get past her drive to the the Queen long enough to see Jon for who he truly is, a good man who loves her, or will she be blinded by her lust for power. This late in the game, the writers could go either way comfortably and permanently, which gives the drama a real edge.

Beric Dondarrion has better credentials, and Jon is a poor second in the resurrection sweepstakes.

Sansa just declared the North would be in rebellion as soon as possible, then Jon made the claim to the throne to Daenerys' face. And Jon conspicuously forgot about ever having made love to her. Look at his body language when she's in the crypt, trying to cuddle. He rejected her. Daenerys would have to be a fool to misread all this. As Sansa said to her, me will do stupid things for a woman. Jon attacked Winterfell for Sansa, Jon will murder Daenerys for her. Jon has no duty to take the throne, but Sansa (and Sam too) wants Daenerys dead. As Cersei said, when you play the Game of Thrones, you win or you die. The thing is, Cersei and Tyrion and Varys and Davos and, yes, Sansa, signed up to play. Daenerys was drafted at birth. And of course, Daenerys has already done more good than anybody else in the series. Nobody, especially not the producers, have ever forgiven Daenerys for freeing the slaves (hence the preposterous storylines about how she was wrong.) No good deed goes unpunished, indeed. Hence the foolishness about her tyranny. Sansa, who has literally never done anything for anybody else that I can recall, is held up as a model of decency? Jon had to admit that Sansa didn't like him growing up, and I had to wonder why he thought she liked him now, as opposed to his army? When Jon asked her if she had any faith in him at all, she could barely bring herself to lie to him. Cersei sits on the throne, Cersei who has probably killed more people in cold blood than the Mad King, without the excuse of being mad, but the show is BSing about Daenerys potentially being a tyrant? Sansa prefers a weak Cersei on the throne to a strong Daenerys, especially one she thinks Jon loves. (Jon's love, and Daernerys' love for Jon, don't matter to her.)

Jon has turned on Daenerys without any explanation other than he's the true heir. If he has any desire for peace, it is incumbent upon him to either retract his threats, or ask to negotiate. Then and only then is it Daenerys' turn.

Most of all, of course, the whole notion that Daenerys' wanting to keep her birthright of the Iron Throne is wrong, ignores how the Starks wanting to keep their independent crown somehow isn't, is preposterous.
 
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