Spoilers Game of Thrones: The Final Season
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Yes I'm not sure if she regrets sleeping with him ,or she's fallen for him and she's all sad because she thinks everyone is going to die.
Nope. She would probably be more worried about the battle to come than catching the clap off Gendry. Perhaps one is projecting.
A couple of question, please give your opinions.
We know that if one of the White Walkers are killed all the wights made by them also die. Jon know that too as he saw it happened beyond The Wall. So shouldn’t Jon have told people to aim for the White Walkers when they can?
Also will the White Walkers survive if the Night King is killed, given that they are Craster’s son rather than undead?
We know that if one of the White Walkers are killed all the wights made by them also die. Jon know that too as he saw it happened beyond The Wall. So shouldn’t Jon have told people to aim for the White Walkers when they can?
Also will the White Walkers survive if the Night King is killed, given that they are Craster’s son rather than undead?
I liked this episode quite a bit - lots of nice moments: Daenerys & Sansa (loved that Sansa didn't give an inch on the North-issue), all of Jaime's scenes (with Tyrion and Brienne), the little girl and Davos (was immediately reminded of Stannis' daughter). That Tyrion's notoriously bad at reading his siblings shouldn't be news to Daenerys (see the battles last season, now - he's an idealist trying to pose as a realist). Sam's "You gave up the crown for the people, would she?" to Jon last week is going to come back big time. And I don't think that the incest is going to be much of an issue - why should it (even in the real world such relationships happen/are arranged)? We have Cersei and Jaime, all of King's Landing knowing about it; Daeny and Jon aren't going to have children... there are quite a few more shockers in this series than this.
What I have issues with:
* Arya... didn't need that, especially since she doesn't really look happy afterwards
* Why are there no plans for the undead dragon??? Doesn't matter whether Bran's bait if the dragon the Night King is riding on incinerates Winterfell while approaching. And I agree: The White Walkers should be targeted, not the army as a whole.
Some character-arcs have come to an end IMO (either actually are done or will be done by the end of the next episode): Sam, Arya (after killing the Night-King with that arrow), Brienne, Bran, Theon, Wildlings
Or the other way around, what characters still have open arcs beyond the battle with the Undead: Daenerys, Jon, Jaime and Tyrion, Sansa, Gendry (who could be the third ending up on the throne when Cersei and Daeny/Jon all die)
What I have issues with:
* Arya... didn't need that, especially since she doesn't really look happy afterwards
* Why are there no plans for the undead dragon??? Doesn't matter whether Bran's bait if the dragon the Night King is riding on incinerates Winterfell while approaching. And I agree: The White Walkers should be targeted, not the army as a whole.
Some character-arcs have come to an end IMO (either actually are done or will be done by the end of the next episode): Sam, Arya (after killing the Night-King with that arrow), Brienne, Bran, Theon, Wildlings
Or the other way around, what characters still have open arcs beyond the battle with the Undead: Daenerys, Jon, Jaime and Tyrion, Sansa, Gendry (who could be the third ending up on the throne when Cersei and Daeny/Jon all die)
I would submit that it's hard to express a post coital glow, when facing certain death in a matter of hours. Arya has been a merchant of death for several seasons. In the episode, she allows herself to be both vulnerable and intimate with her crush/longtime friend and first sexual partner. Going into it, Arya seemed more interested in exploring things she hadn't experienced. Afterwards, I took that she feels she has something to lose. Beyond just her family ties to Jon, Sansa, and Bran.
Agreed. This better not be an oversight by the writers.
I made a list.
Combatants we care about:
Jon Snow
Arya Stark
Gendry Waters
Berick Dondarian
Tormund Giantsbane
Eddison Tollet
Gregor Clegane
Jaime Lannister
Brienne of Tarth
Poderick Payne
Greyworm
Jorah Mormont
Lyanna Mormont
Davos Seaworth
Theon Greyjoy
Rhaegal
Drogon
Civilians we care about:
Danerys Targaryen
Sansa Stark
Bran Stark
Missande
Samwell Tarly
Gilly & Little Sam
Varys
Tyrion Lannister
We know Winterfell is going to fall, but who will survive?
My survivors list is: the Starks (including Jon), Dany, Gendry, Sandor Clegane, Jaime, Tyrion, Lyanna, Sam + Gilly + Sam, Missandae, Rhaegal
Pretty bleak. I hope more survive.
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I think I may be the only person on Earth who doesn't see Brienne and Jaime's relationship as "unrequited love" from either party.
I think she has more of an interest in that regard in Tormund, but won't let herself be vulnerable enough to act on her feelings, and Tormund is too much of a "blunt instrument" to realize that he needs to make the first move.
I think she has more of an interest in that regard in Tormund, but won't let herself be vulnerable enough to act on her feelings, and Tormund is too much of a "blunt instrument" to realize that he needs to make the first move.
I think the dragon, and Night King, are definitely on their way to King’s Landing. The whole attack on Winterfell is just a diversion.
I've never seen much interest from her in regard to Tormund and I don't know if there's unrequited love or not but there's a lot of chemistry between her and Jaime. I really liked that knighting scene and Gwendoline Christie subtly knocked it out of the park.
Interesting thought... but then the series would be over by the end of the next episode as Cersei has nothing that could work against an undead dragon (that giant crossbow barely worked against a living one) and the Night King. King's Landing would barely be a snack for them (and 1mio more followers).
Unless they dispense with the whole quarrel about the Iron Throne entirely, get rid of Cersei's side as an afterthought, Winterfell faces devastating losses and there's a final duel or something like that in episode 5, such as Jon vs Night King... and the sole survivor takes the throne in episode 6 which consists of one funeral after the other.
Hm, to me the whole sequence seemed forced - the one moment that didn't really flow in this episode. Like "what didn't we have Arya do yet? Ah yes, she didn't get laid. Let's do that".
You didn't pick up on her 'slip' and deflection when and Tormund were first reunited during the strategy meeting?
The signs that she's at least somewhat interested in Tormund have been present in every scene they've shared together. He's much more blatant about his interest in her and she tries to play it like she's not interested, but you can still tell that there's a "spark" there for her as well despite how much she tries to demure.
I like that idea a lot and would play well into Cersei's much-needed comeuppance. However, I do agree with Claudia that might create a narrative issue with simply wiping her out. She does have Scorpian and whatever else Qyburn is cooking up for her (remember, this is the same guy who reanimated the Mountain and was fascinated and not terrified by the undead brought to King's Landing).
I read it differently - it seems to me like she's appalled by this guy's attentions, but she doesn't know how to handle it.
I’m excited to see what Dany does after, knowing Sansa will not bend the knee and Jon can challenge her legitimacy.
She will be directly in a position where she can be queen, but only if she becomes her father.
She will be directly in a position where she can be queen, but only if she becomes her father.
Daenerys has had people trying to kill her throughout her life, starting from infancy, because she has a claim to the Iron Throne. The idea something like that doesn't convince you that you have a real claim strikes me as, well, dense. Her entire life has been the dilemma of taking back the throne, or eventually being killed. And she's been selected by magic itself to be the Dragon, and the Dragon is why there is an Iron Throne. When the gods make you fireproof, they're saying, you're the One. Sansa is the one who is determined to parley family birth into a crown.
Sansa threatens war even as the Night King's army approaches, then Jon makes a claim to the Iron Throne to double the threat.
Sansa threatens war even as the Night King's army approaches, then Jon makes a claim to the Iron Throne to double the threat.
Same here. I've never sense any kind of affection from Brienne for Tormund, rather just sheer "What the hell is with this guy?" That classic meme of them at Castle Black says it all.
I'm intrigued to see what she does as well. She's always said "I'm not my father" and yet...we'll see if her actions truly match her words very soon.
Also, Jon is stupid for not clearly stating upfront that he's not interested in the crown. But then, Jon is often stupid.
Yes, Dany is fireproof. But Jon has literally come back from the dead. I think their The One credentials are roughly similar.
Also, Jon has made no claim. You're talking about the only person in Westeros who doesn't want to be King. If Jon were to take the throne, it would be only as a call of duty, something he felt honor bound to do because it was necessary. The problem is that Dany can't see him as anything but a threat. Because, despite all her talk of "breaking the wheel" and changing society for people, it's all been predicated on her being at the top. Like Cersei, Dany wants, demands, and will kill for power, for power's sake.
We, the audience, know that Dany can be a good, just, and noble ruler. But we've seen how far she's willing to go for "her" throne. Even in the face of the end of the world, it's LITERALLY the first thought she has when Jon reveals his secret. Not, "I'm no longer alone!", not "Oh lord I'm sleeping with my nephew!" Just straight to "You're a challenger and a threat!" That doesn't make her a hero, that doesn't make her a good ruler. That makes her a power mad despot in waiting.
The next move has never been Jon's. It will be Dany's. Can she get past her drive to the the Queen long enough to see Jon for who he truly is, a good man who loves her, or will she be blinded by her lust for power. This late in the game, the writers could go either way comfortably and permanently, which gives the drama a real edge.
That's what the writers want you to think is happening on the surface of things, but there are subtler clues to the contrary that are brought out by Gwendolyne's performance.
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