Spoilers So now Discovery is 'synched-up' with canon

[Vger23]

What they were doing was already fine as far as I am concerned.

I loved the final episode of S2 as its own contained, entertaining thing (gave it a "9"), but in terms of the Star Trek franchise overall, and DSC as a continuing story...I'm disappointed in the direction they're headed in with this need to "align to canon"

I'm sure I'll be fine once S3 rolls out. They've made narrative choices throughout that I've been extremely opposed to, yet ended up enjoying things regardless. I see no reason this coming shift will be any different for me.

 

[SJGardner]

Pillow talk between Ash Tyler and L'rell.

Nowadays, L'Rell is only able to sleep if she listens to Tyler trying to explain the mycelial network and the spore drive for at least half an hour, complete with scribbling on a whiteboard. It's probably the unbearable strain of leading an empire against the objections of many Great Houses.

 

[Vger23]

Really? It was a proven technology that was apparently just abandoned and never spoken of again. Starfleet still uses warp drive as its main means of interstellar propulsion right into the late 24th century despite supposedly developing instantaneous travel across the galaxy in the mid 23rd century.

Since you can't run the spore drive without a tardigrade or tardigrade DNA, and since the tardigrades aren't likely to start hanging out with aspiring mushroom experts after all this went down, I'd say I agree that the spore drive is done and cleanly buried.

Very simple in my mind.

 

[Amasov]

Since you can't run the spore drive without a tardigrade or tardigrade DNA, and since the tardigrades aren't likely to start hanging out with aspiring mushroom experts after all this went down, I'd say I agree that the spore drive is done and cleanly buried.

Very simple in my mind.

There were, I think, a total of about four or five different outs that could've been taken to properly explain why the spore drive was never used in the series set years later; and all of these aligned with what we would perceive as against Starfleet's core values. It was stated numerous times both with the tardigrade and with May that Discovery's entrance into the network was harming the indigenous lifeforms that dwell there. That should be enough to support why the technology was never used again. I make the comparison with the Voyager episode EQUINOX where Captain Ransom was murdering lifeforms to develop a faster method of propulsion. Janeway was having none of that and while she knew this could get them home faster, she wasn't about to compromise her values as a Starfleet officer and as a scientist just to shorten Voyager's journey home.

I suspect Lorca and Ransom would've gotten along famously.

 

[Longinus]

Since you can't run the spore drive without a tardigrade or tardigrade DNA, and since the tardigrades aren't likely to start hanging out with aspiring mushroom experts after all this went down, I'd say I agree that the spore drive is done and cleanly buried.

Very simple in my mind.

But they had tardigrade DNA! Are we supposed to believe that the information was not stored on Federation databanks and it vanished with Discovery?

 

[Alan Roi]

But they had tardigrade DNA! Are we supposed to believe that the information was not stored on Federation databanks and it vanished with Discovery?

That's what has been told in story, more than once.

 

[Longinus]

That's what has been told in story, more than once.

Has it?

 

[Alan Roi]

Has it?

Lorca was asked to provide what the Federation needed to equip the fleet with spore drives and he refused. And I do remember a discussion over the ethics involved.

 

[Longinus]

Lorca was asked to provide what the Federation needed to equip the fleet with spore drives and he refused. And I do remember a discussion over the ethics involved.

Ok. In which episode was this? It certainly makes getting it to work more difficult. (Can we still get a plot where Stamets mutates into a Traveller?)

 

[Alan Roi]

Ok. In which episode was this? It certainly makes getting it to work more difficult. (Can we still get a plot where Stamets mutates into a Traveller?)

In Choose Your Pain at the meeting with he admirals Cornwell asks Lorca to get them more Tardigrades and he refuses. And after Stamets injects himself with Tardigrated there is a discussion about how that is illegal under Federation law.

 

[Longinus]

In Choose Your Pain at the meeting with he admirals Cornwell asks Lorca to get them more Tardigrades and he refuses. And after Stamets injects himself with Tardigrated there is a discussion about how that is illegal under Federation law.

That is not what happens in that meeting at all. Lorca does not refuse getting more Tardigrades and has sent all their spore tech data to SF scientists on Earth so they can start duplicating it. Presumably this would include the data on Tardi DNA.

 

[Alan Roi]

That is not what happens in that meeting at all. Lorca does not refuse getting more Tardigrades and has sent all their spore tech data to SF scientists on Earth so they can start duplicating it. Presumably this would include the data on Tardi DNA.

All Lorca says is that the scematics are released. There's no indication they were provided Tardigrade DNA, and besides as I say again, genetically modifying people with alien DNA is illegal in the Federation.

 

[Mechanoid1]

No IMO
Discovery is not synched-up at all. In fact it has splintered the time line yet again.
Discovery is in an alternate time line to the original series. Thanks to the Borg going back in time and leaving nano tech frozen in the artic.
Now in this show, Michaels Mom has gone back in time a bunch of times and created lots of mini alternate time lines, along with her daughter who has continued the family legacy.
A real sync would be to use the time suit with all its power and glory. Go back to the year and date of first contact. And vaporize the Borg sphere as it emerges from the time jump back to earth.
That is the only way to sync it to TOS, TNG, VOY, DS9.
ENT and STD are alternate time lines that that need to be treated as such.
Again just my two cents.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Discovery is in an alternate time line to the original series. Thanks to the Borg going back in time and leaving nano tech frozen in the artic.

You can't prove that wasn't a predestination paradox (i.e. it was always supposed to happen).

 

[David cgc]

I think there is a kind of naiveté to Star Trek about manual work. At least in regard of the 22nd and 23rd century. Yes, of course repair robots, forcefields in all thinkable shapes and self-unfolding equipment are very convenient things. But in Star Trek there seems to be a kind philosophy that you take away something when you let technology do all the work which also can be done manually. That's something I cannot see in DSC due to advanced technology in use.

Back in the halcyon days of 2016, I would've expected part of the reason for going back to TOS-times would be the ability to have a bit more of a hard-sci-fi, rough-and-ready feel, as opposed to the TNG-era where they decided that, once you stipulated the transporter exists, you can use it to do all sorts of second-, third-, and fourth-order things that are even more impossible, like food replicators, dermal regenerators, and holodecks. That's not how it worked out, especially not in season two when they went full "CG means we can make technology that's just magic," like a machine the size of a house being stored in a lunchbox.

 

[Alan Roi]

Back in the halcyon days of 2016, I would've expected part of the reason for going back to TOS-times would be the ability to have a bit more of a hard-sci-fi, rough-and-ready feel, as opposed to the TNG-era where they decided that, once you stipulated the transporter exists, you can use it to do all sorts of second-, third-, and fourth-order things that are even more impossible, like food replicators, dermal regenerators, and holodecks. That's not how it worked out, especially not in season two when they went full "CG means we can make technology that's just magic," like a machine the size of a house being stored in a lunchbox.

Well, as of 2016 I could put a machine that has 1000 times more computing power in my back pocket that the most powerful such a machine in 1966 that just happened to be the size of a house.

 

[Longinus]

Back in the halcyon days of 2016, I would've expected part of the reason for going back to TOS-times would be the ability to have a bit more of a hard-sci-fi, rough-and-ready feel, as opposed to the TNG-era where they decided that, once you stipulated the transporter exists, you can use it to do all sorts of second-, third-, and fourth-order things that are even more impossible, like food replicators, dermal regenerators, and holodecks. That's not how it worked out, especially not in season two when they went full "CG means we can make technology that's just magic," like a machine the size of a house being stored in a lunchbox.

Yep. I'd think that one of the biggest draws of a 23c show would be to avoid all that TNG era (and especially Voyager) magic tech. But both times they have returned to 23c (Disco and Kelvin films) they have introduced even more setting altering tech. I find it really frustrating.

 

[oberth]

Yep. I'd think that one of the biggest draws of a 23c show would be to avoid all that TNG era (and especially Voyager) magic tech. But both times they have returned to 23c (Disco and Kelvin films) they have introduced even more setting altering tech. I find it really frustrating.

kelvin is irrelevant as it is officially a parallel universe and nobody knows the point of divergence - might as well have been right after attila the hun got drunk seven days in a row

 

[Kemaiku]

kelvin is irrelevant as it is officially a parallel universe and nobody knows the point of divergence - might as well have been right after attila the hun got drunk seven days in a row

The DTI knows in Watching the Clock, but only them.

 

[Dukhat]

kelvin is irrelevant as it is officially a parallel universe and nobody knows the point of divergence - might as well have been right after attila the hun got drunk seven days in a row

The film made it very clear that the divergence happened when Nero came back through time to 2233.