Case dismissed! Discovery and Tardigrade game "not similar"

[Rahul]

Absolutely! That would absolutely merit the case. That's how specific you're getting in your example. With this case its:

Well yeah, that's pretty much the level of specifity that this case has - from the clothing to the light effects to the same animation for what's happening.

Of course you can list other things that are different - as I said "otherwise not connected to the events of "Dumbo", meaning the majority of it being different - Just this one, extremely specific thing that's straight up exactly the same.

 

[Campe]

Well yeah, that's pretty much the level of specifity that this case has - from the clothing to the light effects to the same animation for what's happening.

Of course you can list other things that are different - as I said "otherwise not connected to the events of "Dumbo", meaning the majority of it being different - Just this one, extremely specific thing that's straight up exactly the same.

Oh, for fucks sake... you can’t copyright a blue uniform! Besides, Disco’s uniforms build on Enterprise’s.

 

[Rahul]

Oh, for fucks sake... you can’t copyright a blue uniform! Besides, Disco’s uniforms build on Enterprise’s.

Neither can you copyright a mouse in brass uniform, an elephant with big ears in a circus setting, or the concept of non-flying animals flying.

It's really the whole combination that's the gist of things.

 

[DaveyNY]

There is also the possibility that CBS to 100% directly lifted the idea from his trailers, without doing any changes or iteration themselves, but the court decides that this Tardigrade is not clearly enough "defined" as a character that is's not copyright-capable (is that even a word?).

That would actually be the much more interesting question, where exactly that line between an "idea" and an "expression" of said idea goes. Because that's the part of this case that's really not clear-cut. But I could totally understand neither CBS nor the court actually wanting to go even near that type of debate.

Only the stuff he presented originally in the STEAM contest was out there for public consumption.
And actually he didn't even have several of his characters in that original presentation.
BTW: his first video that included the Tardigrade concept was in March of 2015 and it was at that point that he changed the games name from EPOCH to TARDIGRADES.
It wasn't until July of 2017 that he actually included a Tardigrade in any of his Yt videos.
Though his original STEAM proposal did include a picture of one without the human included.
Also, his original idea was that a naked human would be transported from a pad inside of a ship to the Tardigrade outside of the ship and then be enveloped by the creature and zipped across space.
(not really all that close to how it has been presented to work on DISCOVERY)

One other thing, he has slightly altered his game proposal with almost every Yt video he has posted, apparently to bring it closer to what he is trying to sue for.
His lawyer even had to admit this in one of the first few writs to the court.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Well yeah, that's pretty much the level of specifity this case has

No it really doesn't.

 

[serabine]

I say just throw all three of them into a ring chuck in some weapons, turn on the amok time music and let them go for it.

And then they team up and hunt down Christopher Paolini, author of Eragon.

 

[Campe]

Neither can you copyright a mouse in brass uniform, an elephant with big ears in a circus setting, or the concept of non-flying animals flying.

It's really the whole combination that's the gist of things.

Sigh... this is getting so tedious. I was going to go video by video and image by image and walk through when exactly the tardigrade in tardigrade did what it did but I have had a lot of shit hit the fan today in my life, so I'm limiting it to this:

• Epoch, the game that becomes Tardigrades was announced on May 8, 2014. It is described thusly: "In our understanding of time, it is the year 20,000 BC where civilizations are about to discover galactic travel through the latest technology of their time. Earth was different back then. The deserts of south Egypt and Ethiopia are green and full of advanced technology." Also, the main character, Carter, was described as having a girlfriend, Alex.
• The game known as Epoch becomes Tardigrades on February 22, 2015.
• On November 2, 2015, the series that becomes Star Trek: Discovery is announced on Startrek.com
• On February 9, 2016, Bryan Fuller is announced as the showrunner of what will become Star Trek: Discovery
• On October 26, 2016, Variety reported Bryan Fuller would be replaced by Gretchen Berg and Aaron Harberts on Star Trek: Discovery
• Production begins on Star Trek: Discovery in January 2017
• On July 12, 2017, the Tardigrades video with the infamous Tardigrade hug shot is uploaded to Youtube
• "The Vulcan Hello," the first episode of Star Trek: Discovery aired on September 24, 2017 on CBS
• "Context is for Kings," the first episode that Ripper, the tardigrade appears in premieres on CBS All Access on October 1, 2017.
• Photography on Season One of Star Trek: Discovery wrapped on October 12, 2017
• "Choose Your Pain," the last episode that features Ripper, the tardigrade (and the 5th episode airing overall) premieres on October 15, 2017 on CBS All Access

Now, as I've said for awhile now, its entirely possible that maybe Star Trek: Discovery took the idea from Tardigrades, but its pretty fucking unlikely that a series that runs production for nine months over fifteen episodes is going to be able to do that, particularly when Episode 3, "Context for Kings", which was the first episode that Ripper appeared in premiered less than three months after Abdin's video showed up on YouTube. There was a lot of work that went into the uniforms, the casting, and the impressive visual effects that brought Ripper to life. This would require significant changes to the storyline for the entire season and some major reshoots as well as heavy effects work. Three months is not enough time to rewrite, reshoot and re-effect a show just to steal from a minor video game maker. Its just not. Because so much would have to be changed later on in the season that deals with the tardigrade DNA. When looking at it from this perspective, its just laughable that anyone could think that the lawsuit is reasonable. Not to mention all of the changes that would have to occur to change the uniforms, steal the relationship between Stamets and Culber (because pale and dark skin homosexual relationship which as noted above was NOT part of the original Epoch pitch) AND add a Tardigrade to the equation!

I mean... COME. ON. WHY WOULD THEY DO THIS?!?!? JUST to rip off the little guy? What? The? FUCK?!?!

If laying this out for you, you still believe that Abdin got ripped off? Well, I really don't know what to do with you. Putting this timeline out there really cements the idea that it was parallel development. The timeline just really doesn't line up, man. Sorry.

@DaveyNY laid this out too, but always room for both posts

 

[Agony_Boothb]

And then they team up and hunt down Christopher Paolini, author of Eragon.

Christopher Paolini manages to bore them into submission with boring prose and they decided to go after the team behind how to train your dragon.

 

[Rahul]

I mean... COME. ON. WHY WOULD THEY DO THIS?!?!? JUST to rip off the little guy? What? The? FUCK?!?!

This looks more like an accident, than a coincidence. But certainly not intentional.
Something just slipping through quality control at CBS. Probably because the source was so obscure, and added behind-the-scenes drama. Definitely no malevolence involved. If that's what happened.

Now, as I've said for awhile now, its entirely possible that maybe Star Trek: Discovery took the idea from Tardigrades, but its pretty fucking unlikely that a series that runs production for nine months over fifteen episodes is going to be able to do that, particularly when Episode 3, "Context for Kings", which was the first episode that Ripper appeared in premiered less than three months after Abdin's video showed up on YouTube. There was a lot of work that went into the uniforms, the casting, and the impressive visual effects that brought Ripper to life. This would require significant changes to the storyline for the entire season and some major reshoots as well as heavy effects work. Three months is not enough time to rewrite, reshoot and re-effect a show just to steal from a minor video game maker. Its just not. Because so much would have to be changed later on in the season that deals with the tardigrade DNA. When looking at it from this perspective, its just laughable that anyone could think that the lawsuit is reasonable. Not to mention all of the changes that would have to occur to change the uniforms, steal the relationship between Stamets and Culber (because pale and dark skin homosexual relationship which as noted above was NOT part of the original Epoch pitch) AND add a Tardigrade to the equation!

 

[Vger23]

I'm expecting a 10-part legal mini-series dramatizing this entire saga. It's so riveting.

 

[Krandor]

Neither can you copyright a mouse in brass uniform, an elephant with big ears in a circus setting, or the concept of non-flying animals flying.

It's really the whole combination that's the gist of things.

And some stuff he is claiming re part of that combination, Discovery announced before he published his material.

 

[Krandor]

I'm expecting a 10-part legal mini-series dramatizing this entire saga. It's so riveting.

Well, there will likely be a 33 part (at least blog) over at FFF.

 

[Campe]

This looks more like an accident, than a coincidence. But certainly not intentional.
Something just slipping through quality control at CBS. Probably because the source was so obscure, and added behind-the-scenes drama. Definitely no malevolence involved. If that's what happened.

 

[DaveyNY]

First of all: Funny that you of all people say that. Also, nice form to talk about me in third person.

But mostly: A resounding "No" to your "thesis".

I'm waiting for further evidence. The one we have really doesn't look good for CBS'. Like, they gonna' get away with it, because of lack of evidence, but only because they managed to make no one look at actual evidence.

But as I said: Literally anything that CBS offers could sway me. Doesn't even has to be related to this court case - if they'd do a "behind the scenes" look or book like Trek has previously done, and it becomes obvious theynaturally came to their own Tardigrade, I'll happily change my mind. As long as they don't offer anything - I see no reason to rescind my suspicion.

I'm not going to change my mind because you posted alink to an opinion. That shit isn't "evidence", this guy isn't more or less qualified than you or me - his only "qualification" is he has his own website.



On a more general note: I find the Mignight-edges/Youtube-comments section that is convinced CBS is a fraud even more annoying. To the point I avoid anything that even vaguely looks like that. I don't like their personal attacks against CBS and the showrunners, and I'm happy that this place - for the most part - is free of slurs or personal attacks against Abdin.

But one thing is absolutely certain: This place, this very DIS-fan-forum, is pretty much an absolutely equally biased filter-bubble, only in the extreme opposite direction. Where anyone who isn't 100% on CBS' side at this point is treated like a personal aggressor against the show itself. Which is really qually lunatic.

I would just like to clarify how you have incorrectly interpreted one of my previous posts...

In the post you are apparently referring to, my first and third sentences, are clearly in the First Person and are directed toward your previous postings.
My second and fourth sentences are obvious generalizations and are expressed as such, toward no one in particular.

There were no "Third Person" indicators included in that particular post of mine what so ever.

Neither can you copyright a mouse in brass uniform, an elephant with big ears in a circus setting, or the concept of non-flying animals flying.

It's really the whole combination that's the gist of things.

Well, it's apparently a complete shame that the "gist of things" is not considered a reliable or approved Legal Standard in a Court of Law.

 

[gblews]

I'm expecting a 10-part legal mini-series dramatizing this entire saga. It's so riveting.

Are you referring to the lawsuit or this thread?

 

[serabine]

There, there. It was a valiant effort. Some people are just imperious to things they don't wanna hear.

 

[Campe]

There, there. It was a valiant effort. Some people are just imperious to things they don't wanna hear.

But I had so much riding on it!

Lol... ultimately it doesn’t matter. I was hopeful we could make a breakthrough. Alas....

 

[DaveyNY]

There, there. It was a valiant effort. Some people are just imperious to things they don't wanna hear.

Imperious and Impervious it seems as well.

 

[serabine]

Imperious and Impervious it seems as well.

Oops. Got my vocabulary mixed up there.

 

[cultcross]

On July 12, 2017, the Tardigrades video with the infamous Tardigrade hug shot is uploaded to Youtube

So a full three months after the first trailer for Discovery which featured the "stolen" characters and blue uniforms/blue lighting. They must have loved his stuff even before Tardigrades came along. Then of course they went back and remade early episodes to include his updates.