Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x13 - "Such Sweet Sorrow"

[TheMadCloner]

Just a question that's been nagging at me:

Burnham will obviously change the "fate" that was shown to her when she touched the time crystal (they won't kill off the entire cast). What makes it impossible for Pike to change his fate?

 

[Delta Vega]

Watched it tonight and gave it a solid 8, not because I thought it was magnificent, but because it paid homage to the Enterprise in a tasteful way, which I really appreciated.
Great to see the (almost) familiar uniforms and the Bridge which looked revamped yet mostly faithful to the original.
I also appreciated that this episode has set us up for a nail biting finale, of which we all have our own theories as to how it will pan out.
My favourite scenes were the glimpses of the future from Burnham and Reno.
But it has to be said, Pike and Georgiou were fucking great

But

They let technobabble take over again re the crystal, the dialogue between the very conveniently available Po, Tilly, Reno and Stamets, while intriguing, was batshit mental.
The show as a whole ended up dialogue heavy, mostly consisting of goodbyes, and it tended to drag in mid show.
Two predictions from me, and most likely others, 1, Reno is heading for the great Alpha Quadrant in the Sky, she's toast, and 2. I think Georgiou will betray our heroes to establish herself as head of Section 31, minus Control, amid the confusion to come.
Culber and Stamets is getting boring now, and Sarek and Amanda must have Spore Drive in their shuttle as well to just turn up like that.
And then there's Spock. . . . . . . meh
Next week will be cool, I think we've been set up for a great finale.
Can't wait to watch it again.

 

[Delta Vega]

Just a question that's been nagging at me:

Burnham will obviously change the "fate" that was shown to her when she touched the time crystal (they won't kill off the entire cast). What makes it impossible for Pike to change his fate?

Maybe because Pike's destiny was payment for taking the crystal ?
Burnham and Reno made no such deals

 

[TheMadCloner]

Maybe because Pike's destiny was payment for taking the crystal ?
Burnham and Reno made no such deals

But that's giving the crystal sentience. I don't think a crystal otherwise would know the difference between someone touching it as part of a deal vs. someone randomly touching it.

 

[Delta Vega]

But that's giving the crystal sentience. I don't think a crystal otherwise would know the difference between someone touching it as part of a deal vs. someone randomly touching it.

Fair point, but maybe the crystal is somehow linked to the Holy Moly Mystic Klingons

 

[thribs]

Using force fields for protection between the ships doesn't seem very safe. They're supposed to be used as backup.

 

[TheMadCloner]

Fair point, but maybe the crystal is somehow linked to the Holy Moly Mystic Klingons

Probably.

I'd like to see a random ensign touch it, see that he/she dies a nice peaceful death in their bed surrounded by all their loved ones, and start taking unnecessary risks in their life because they already know what their fate is.

 

[Delta Vega]

We all know that our fate is to one day die, its a sobering thought for old dudes never mind young ensigns or red shirt cannon fodder

 

[Terok Nor]

Give me that Pike spin off please! The Enterprise bridge looks magnificent! Imagine getting to look at that for 13 weeks a year. Speaking of things I could look at for weeks, Number One is a gem. The only OG character I'm not feeling is Spock. He has no screen presence. Nimoy is a tough act to follow but Quinto did it justice. Peck, whilst a good actor, isn't doing it for me as Spock.

Speaking of OG characters, if this is the last we see of Sarek I won't miss him. Frain was incredibly poorly cast in the role. Amanda was fine but I can't say I'll miss her either.

I'd be happy if Burnham and crew went off to the future and the series stayed in the 23rd century aboard the Enterprise. Such is the attachment I have to the main Discovery cast.

Great episode. The back half of the season has been superb.

 

[Delta Vega]

I think there was a dip in quality for two or three shows in mid season, but the last two have really upped the bar

 

[Dave Scarpa]

Way too overtly dramatic, burnham is such the second coming everyone wants to give up their life for her. I thought pike might cry cripes. The Spock death scene in khan was earned, burnham hasn’t earned all that

 

[Lakenheath 72]

About how Sarek and Amanda got so quickly to Xahea, well, both 40 Eridani (the Vulcan system) and Xahea are in the same sector. All that Sarek had to do was what Burnham did in the first season, when she went looking for Sarek, follow the Katra path.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

The difficulty with retconning Sec 31 as well known into continuity with Bashir as well, and I admit it freely, Bashir was kind of a history reenactment nut AND he loved spy genre stuff, so he would have known presumably quite a lot about the older version of Section 31. I don't have an answer for that, apart from him treating them like two seperate things, one a skulky latter day pretender that adopted the same name. It's a stretch, I know.

Unless it gets covered up in the next hundred years and the acts committed by S31/Control are pinned on a 'rogue element' of starfleet intelligence.

 

[Alan Roi]

WTF:
- How is it that the Discovery can't call for help from/alert Starfleet; yet Sarek and Amanda's ship can physically travel to where Discovery is to give Michael a final goodbye/pep talk (No, I don't have an issue with the fact that Sarek was somehow telepathically aware as that ship has sailed and hell Spock had similar ability in TOS S2 - "The Imunity Syndrome"); yet Sarek DOESN'T DO ANYTHING TO ALERT VULCAN/THE FEDERATION/STARFLEET before going on the trip...PLUS they manage to warp away just in time...

Michael Burnham now has a RA suit, right? Which means she probably will jump back to the 23c in the future, right? Which means Sarek will have probably been in contact with future Burnham via Katra, right? Which means he very well knows where and when the Discovery is before it goes to the future. Does he alert Starfleet knowing Control could be listening?

 

[Push The Button]

Bravo on the reimagined Enterprise, well done. I was waiting to see the bridge all season, and was not disappointed.

 

[Alan Roi]

Calypso was not written by Berg/Harberts. It was mostly written by Michael Chabon (now writing for the Picard show) with some story input by Sean Cochran (who wrote Despite Yourself in the first season, but apparently is no longer part of Discovery's writing staff).

We do know that Chabon basically picked 1,000 years in the future on a whim, though he asked the showrunners if they were okay with it. So there was no "wider plan" for the short at that time.

How do we know Chabon picked the time on a whim? Is there an interview where he states this?

 

[Succubint]

I'm pretty sure they said that she can't jump back once the crystal is used to jump forward. The power usage was likened to a waterfall when you only want a cupful - way more expenditure than was wanted but it was all they could do to get it working at all.

 

[Alan Roi]

Well - that one's going to be easy:

• We have the Kelvin-timeline, where the new JJ.Abrams produced movies take place for the most part
• The prime-timeline, which consists of DIS (+ spin-offs) and where Spock prime (in ST09) is from
• And last but not least the original timeline, which covers TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT and the corresponding movies.

Enjoy your headtimeline.

 

[cooleddie74]

Episode: 8 or 9.
Enterprise Bridge: 9.5.

 

[Alan Roi]

Didn't "Saints of Imperfection" establish that spore jumping kills / harms the May lifeforms that live in the network?

No. It established that bringing a human being back to life in the network kills/harms the May lifeforms when it covers itself of the killer tree bark that exists already in the network.