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Spoilers Discovery and the Novelverse - TV show discussion thread

WebLurker said:
I'm now more intrigued about both the season and the book (don't have the streaming and so am forced to wait for the BluRays).
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Just turned in the proofread version of ENTERPRISE WAR and I can say that fans of Pike in the current series will find a lot to like in this book. I knew what was happening in the show before it aired, and have only gotten more excited as I've seen the episodes. The book and the series work together really well, while it also stands up perfectly well as a solo adventure.

(It may even stand on its edge: the most pages of a DSC book to date, so far as I know, landing in the 400s somewhere.)
 
JJMiller said:
Just turned in the proofread version of ENTERPRISE WAR and I can say that fans of Pike in the current series will find a lot to like in this book. I knew what was happening in the show before it aired, and have only gotten more excited as I've seen the episodes. The book and the series work together really well, while it also stands up perfectly well as a solo adventure.
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That's good to hear. Not a huge Pike fan, I'll admit, but the war hook has really gotten me interested, esp. since that era of the franchise was never really developed much onscreen or with stuff this closely tied to the shows.

JJMiller said:
(It may even stand on its edge: the most pages of a DSC book to date, so far as I know, landing in the 400s somewhere.)
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Drastic Measures topped out at 384, plus the three page bonus scene at the end (that we never saw again, sad to say).
 
WebLurker said:
That's good to hear. Not a huge Pike fan, I'll admit, but the war hook has really gotten me interested, esp. since that era of the franchise was never really developed much onscreen or with stuff this closely tied to the shows.
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I'd say there's a pretty good chance this season of Discovery might change your opinion on Pike.
Is Fear Itself consistent with what we learn about Saru and Kaminar in Season 2?
 
JD said:
I'd say there's a pretty good chance this season of Discovery might change your opinion on Pike.
Is Fear Itself consistent with what we learn about Saru and Kaminar in Season 2?
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I don't remember much contradictions in terms of specifics, but as for implications, I'd say "Fear Itself" is as consistent with Season 2's depiction of Kelpians as Season 1 is. It carries forward the idea that Saru's people lived in constant terror of being hunted and eaten personally, rather than living pastoral lives in a setting that's nearly utopian aside from a moderate case of Logan's Run.
 
Major Pike fan here, so I can't wait to read this book. I am going to miss Anson Mount so much after this season is over...
 
JJMiller said:
Just turned in the proofread version of ENTERPRISE WAR and I can say that fans of Pike in the current series will find a lot to like in this book. I knew what was happening in the show before it aired, and have only gotten more excited as I've seen the episodes. The book and the series work together really well, while it also stands up perfectly well as a solo adventure.

(It may even stand on its edge: the most pages of a DSC book to date, so far as I know, landing in the 400s somewhere.)
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Were you ever a big Pike fan before writing Enterprise War? or did writing him make you fond of the character even more?
 
Looking forward to reading Enterprise War but having it under the Discovery title is a bit misleading. Shame there is no hardback version meaning they could do a reversible cover.
I’ll be interested if they’ll be able to incorporate this version of Control into the novel verse version. @Christopher is really good in doing things like that.
 
thribs said:
Looking forward to reading Enterprise War but having it under the Discovery title is a bit misleading. Shame there is no hardback version meaning they could do a reversible cover.
I’ll be interested if they’ll be able to incorporate this version of Control into the novel verse version. @Christopher is really good in doing things like that.
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It's not misleading at all.
 
The Wormhole said:
Eh, that's a bit of tapdancing. I find it far more likely that Papa Burnham's name is indeed Mike.
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Maybe, maybe not. The English language has a funny way with names, starting with shortening, “nicknames”, having second names, and so on.

If he’s Mike and Burnham is named after him, why’s her name Michael and not Mike? (Though we have an example of that when Kelvin-Kirk’s death wish of naming his son “Jim” is mangled into a “James”). He could be Calvin “Mike” Micheal Burnham, or something like that juggled around.
 
thribs said:
Looking forward to reading Enterprise War but having it under the Discovery title is a bit misleading. Shame there is no hardback version meaning they could do a reversible cover.
I’ll be interested if they’ll be able to incorporate this version of Control into the novel verse version. @Christopher is really good in doing things like that.
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The Wormhole said:
What's so misleading about it? It's a Disco tie-in based on a storyline from Disco. Why would it be under any other banner?
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And given that Capt. Pike has now officially appeared in far more DSC episodes than he ever did on both TOS and in the TOS movies combined, he's basically a Star Trek: Discovery character now.
 
thribs said:
Looking forward to reading Enterprise War but having it under the Discovery title is a bit misleading.
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How is calling a novel that ties-into DSC a DSC novel misleading?

thribs said:
Shame there is no hardback version meaning they could do a reversible cover.
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Like for that Star Wars: Last Shot novel?

Christopher said:
Huh???? Mike is short for Michael. Jim is short for James. They're not separate names, they're the full and diminutive forms of the same given name.
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To play devil's advocate, a diminutive can evolve. "Kate" and "Tessa" are both nicknames for "Katherine" and "Teresa" as well as full given names in their own right. Who's to say that the same couldn't happen to other names as well.
 
WebLurker said:
To play devil's advocate, a diminutive can evolve. "Kate" and "Tessa" are both nicknames for "Katherine" and "Teresa" as well as full given names in their own right. Who's to say that the same couldn't happen to other names as well.
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But Markonian was talking about it as if they had to be separate names, which is just weird.
 
Christopher said:
But Markonian was talking about it as if they had to be separate names, which is just weird.
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Fair enough. Besides, what's the point in tying it up in knots if the novels and the show gave Burnham's dad two different given names; either the book was wrong on that specific point or they're his first and middle name. Case closed.
 
David cgc said:
Oh, just remembered, on-topic, "Perpetual Infinity" went with SMG's idea that Michael Burnham was named after her father, and not Desperate Hour's coinage that her father was named Calvin. Likewise, DH is pretty clear that the family Burnham staying to see the supernova at Michael's request was legitimate (and the series has been, admittedly, unclear about how Michael came to think it was her idea to not leave earlier after it was retconned that not only did her parents intend to stay for the nova, it was the entire reason they went to Doctori Alpha in the first place).
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Tim Thomason said:
We don't know for sure what Mr. Burnham's first name is. All we know is that Gabrielle referred to him as Mike (in Perpetual Infinity) and also Calvin (in Desperate Hours, where she appears to be unnamed).

Perhaps his name is actually Aaron, but his pet nicknames are "Mike" (per his background as a teenage musician) and "Calvin" (per his favorite brand of underwear).

I've mixed up close relative's names before (like accidentally referring to my mom by sister's name) in cases when I'm thinking too loudly. Perhaps, in the stress of the moment, Gabrielle accidentally referred to her husband Calvin by their daughter's name. She was barking orders at both of them.
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The Wormhole said:
Eh, that's a bit of tapdancing. I find it far more likely that Papa Burnham's name is indeed Mike.
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I'm with The Wormhole. Occam's razor is that Discovery season 2 threw Desperate Hours out the window.
 
thribs said:
Looking forward to reading Enterprise War but having it under the Discovery title is a bit misleading. Shame there is no hardback version meaning they could do a reversible cover.
I’ll be interested if they’ll be able to incorporate this version of Control into the novel verse version. @Christopher is really good in doing things like that.
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Since it's Discovery's unique versions of Pike, Spock and the Enterprise featured, it makes a lot of sense to me.
 
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