Control could never wipe out all life in the galaxy what about the Borg, the actual Borg that are in the delta quadrant?
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I'd imagine the Feds might be rethinking their reliance on it just about now...
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Probably why Section 31 will end up going underground. They will take all the blame.
Sorry if this has been discussed already or I'm missing something obvious, but why did using the time crystal necessarily lock Pike into the future of The Menagerie? For example, if he were to resign from Starfleet after dealing with this whole Control plot, therefore ensuring he's never aboard the training vessel where the accident occurs, will all of reality suddenly come undone because he defied the crystal or what?
I think it's because that's not who he is. He basically says it. He'll do what he thinks is right no matter what, and that's what will lead him to that outcome. What Dark Elf Klingon said should, I believe, be taken in that vein.
They are walking away from the character at the end of the season, which is seven or eight years prior to the accident. Not sure why they would care? Sometimes I feel like they really aren't being honest. I'd rather they just say "we thought it would be fucking cool to show Pike's accident"
They are snappy dressers.
The Monk they spoke to made me think of Lennier from Babylon 5 and one of Trance Gemini's people from Andromeda at certain angles.
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I call him Dark Elf Klingon.
He does kinda look like a Minbari. I also got vibes from the Wraith of Stargate Atlantis.
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After the next episode, I'm assuming they'll be considered to be wiped out, which is also a convenient way to go underground undetected. Tyler kind of embodies that, as the dead man who's free to do whatever dead men do.
I think perhaps based on what we saw in this weeks episode, the Human part of Section-31 is most likely already wiped out. (except for Cornwell, Tyler & Georgiou)
CONTROL probably spaced the crews of every S-31 ships IT took over and all of the ones converging on Discovery at the end of the episodes are under IT's ... control.
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Grown-Up Son of None, I forget his name, is my favorite Disco Klingon.
I am really glad Tenavik doesn't seem to have any connection whatsoever to the Albino (beyond being one).
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I read it as Pike essentially making a vow to not alter his fate, to preserve the timeline. If he breaks that vow then the Time-Monks might get just make sure he ends up in the chair.
These both make sense, and of course Pike clearly isn't the type of person to abandon Starfleet and go into hiding based on a vision, but I'm still confused about the mechanics of the time crystal. The Dark Elf (as we're calling him) implies that there's literally no way to change the future Pike sees, but only if he looks into the time crystal. If he turned and walked away at that point, would he somehow not end up in the chair? And, having seen the vision and (apparently) sealed his fate, what would happen if he just took a phaser, set it to kill and shot himself right now? Is he invincible because the time crystals demand that he's alive, able-bodied and training cadets in 10 years?
And of course, Pike getting crippled isn't the worst thing that happened that day - several cadets actually died in the accident. Surely he could use the time crystal to get the name of the ship he's on and thus save their lives, also saving himself from massive injury, with no obvious drawbacks.
I know this all seems like seriously next-level pedantry, but it's the one thing in the episode that's properly confused me, especially because that scene is basically the emotional focus of the whole episode.
It was a really well-acted scene, but the logic doesn't work for me, either. Pike is only human. With knowledge of that future, he does nothing to try and change it? Not even make sure baffle plates on cadet training vessels are in good shape? The scene would make more sense if Pike saw the future, but then the memory was wiped. So he knows something bad will happen in his future, but not specifically what.
And I guess for me I didn't need the fantasy element of saving the universe. Pike going into that area filled with radiation and pulling out those cadets still alive was heroic enough for me. And I like the idea that he did it because that's the person he is, not because he's fated to do it.
And I guess for me I didn't need the fantasy element of saving the universe. Pike going into that area filled with radiation and pulling out those cadets still alive was heroic enough for me. And I like the idea that he did it because that's the person he is, not because he's fated to do it.
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